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To: ought-six

Could you give some specifics as to these *entitlements*?

I am 65, female, self-employed for over 43 years and my SS is paltry, I have no *entitlements* that I didn’t pay for and continue to pay for. I have employed people on disability and welfare in the past and from what I could see, their *entitlements* were so small as to be laughable. Certainly, no one could live on them unless somehow they had cash assets that escaped the scrutiny of the welfare system, which even seems to consider a whole life insurance policy an asset because it can be borrowed against.

I have been politically active on both sides of the political divide up until this year and I have never even heard of an entitlement which I could vote for myself.

I am very serious in these questions. It almost sounds like there is some parallel system out there that it secret, at least to me, my husband and those I have queried about this since reading your post, which includes one veteran. He told me that because he does not have a service-related disability and didn’t serve for 20 years, he isn’t even eligible for VA medical care.

Are any of these over-70 vets conservative or even Republican?


44 posted on 02/22/2008 9:58:31 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

“Could you give some specifics as to these ‘entitlements’?”

First off, voting for them — or for the politician who promised them — is one thing; having Congress pass them is another.

But, too answer your question, here are just a few:

Medicare
Medicaid
Social Security
Tax breaks (check out some tax forms: Do you see the boxes that ask if you are 65 or older? That is so a tax break or credit can be given)
Senior discounts on pretty much everything (granted, some of those are not laws, but pro-senior lawmakers encourage them).

Yes, most seniors have paid into the Social Security programs. But what they receive in Social Security benefits is so out of proportion to what they’ve paid into it that their rate of return is astronomical. No one else gets such a windfall from an “investment”.

I’m 57. I am eligible to join AARP, but I refuse to do so because AARP is one of the biggest shake-down organizations around. I feel bad for those who are in their 20s and 30s now, because they are being fleeced to pay for the entitlement programs going to today’s seniors. There are seniors today who have paid next to nothing into Social Security but who are getting maximium benefits, and are constantly demanding that those benefits be increased.

I have paid into Social Security programs a sum well into the six figures. I will never get that back. However, an octagenarian who had paid into Social Security programs a fraction of what I have is raking in the cash, proportionately.

For Social Security to be fair, it should only pay out in a reasonable proportion to what one paid into it, and everyone gets the same proportionate return.

Most seniors today, no matter what their political philosophies were when they were younger and productive, are now eager socialists. That’s why seniors disproportionately vote for Democrats.

Many years ago I accepted the likelihood that what I paid into Social Security is gone, and I’ll never see it. That’s why I did what I could to prepare for my retirement on my own. Thus, Social Security isn’t even factored into my retirement equation.

To answer your question about the many veterans over age 65 that I know: Yes, they are overwhelmingly Democrats now. But, most of them voted for Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford and Reagan when they were working and productive (we’ve had many a discussion about this over a cold beer). However, when they retired they jumped to the Democrats.

You say you are 65 and are self-employed, but that your SS is paltry. Your SS is “paltry” because you’re still working and bringing in an income.


45 posted on 02/24/2008 4:05:39 AM PST by ought-six
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