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To: traditional1
IF the Democrat wins the election, it's not because the Republican Conservative voters let the Party down, it's because the Party let the Conservative voters down, period.

What self serving BS. If the Republicans would lose this election because the some conservatives sat out the election it's a loss for both Republicans and the conservatives who showed themselves unwilling to vote for anyone other than who they think is best. Everyone loses.

On the other hand if McCain wins while some spoiled children with hold their votes then the spoiled children lose big.

Either way those who would sit the election out lose all right to call themselves the base of the party.

A real base wouldn't act so spoiled.

27 posted on 02/22/2008 6:18:36 PM PST by billva
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To: billva
...What self serving BS. If the Republicans would lose this election because the some conservatives sat out the election it's a loss for both Republicans and the conservatives who showed themselves unwilling to vote for anyone other than who they think is best. Everyone loses...

I disagree. If Macaca wins, Social-Conservatives LOSE BIG TIME. Social-Conservatives must show They have PRINCIPLES and the courage to abide by them if they are going to be taken seriously the next time around. Let the 'other' conservatives do what they will... If they are willing to show that they were ALL BARK AND NOT BITE... let them do it. We must be different.

KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL SOCIAL-CONSERVATIVES! :)

32 posted on 02/22/2008 6:29:38 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck :))
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To: billva
On the other hand if McCain wins [loses?] while some spoiled children with hold their votes then the spoiled children lose big.

You have a point. But I do have the luxury of living in a state (Massachusetts) which will never make a difference in the general election, so I can withhold my vote with impunity. Further, my problem with McCain isn't that he's not quite a pure enough conservative. McCain Feingold is an abomination to the First Amendment which transcends such categories. Furthermore, I think he's temperamentally unsuited to the Presidency (as are the Clintons). We don't need another rage-aholic in the White House.
33 posted on 02/22/2008 6:32:03 PM PST by DWPittelli
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To: billva

Not acting spoiled. Some might call it integrity.

If the choice is to vote for someone who is less crappy than someone else, I’ll chose a third option.

And even though McCain has “found God” on the illegal immigration issue, I don’t believe him.

Quote from the Godfather that applies — “You need to have a war every ten years or so to get rid of all the bad blood.”

If the Republican party fractures, so be it.


40 posted on 02/22/2008 6:43:35 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: billva

“Either way those who would sit the election out lose all right to call themselves the base of the party.

A real base wouldn’t act so spoiled.”

How do YOU propose we conservatives send the message to the RNC that we want true conservatives? When I was in California, the “base” voted for Awnuld, a man married into the Kennedys and not a whole lot different than McCain. That worked just great, didn’t it?

Much as I would hate to see a Dem in the White House, we might do well to write in the names of true conservatives that more closely share our point of view, suffer through the next Presidency, a then perhaps have the attention of the Party.


42 posted on 02/22/2008 6:46:36 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (If "there are no losers here," then there are no winners here. ><BCC>NRA)
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To: billva
Get a grip; it's not "spoiled brats" who are telling the Republican Party "ENOUGH OF THIS"...it's those with principle.

Those who go along with the program, no matter what asshat is thrust in front of them as the Party's Candidate, simply rubber stamp the RNC's RINOism, and no change will ever come about, as they can always count on the non-principled votes.

48 posted on 02/22/2008 6:58:33 PM PST by traditional1
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To: billva
On the other hand if McCain wins while some spoiled children with hold their votes then the spoiled children lose big.

This is the real risk that many here seem unconcerned about.

It's no different than when people go on strike. If the employer can find a way to replace them permanently, he will.

Instead of forcing the party to follow them and become more conservative, quitting on game day forces the party to replace them with even more moderates. Because the party's goal is to win elections and they naturally try to find a way to do that with whomever will help them win.

64 posted on 02/22/2008 7:18:12 PM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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