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Posted on 02/25/2008 6:15:03 AM PST by NewMediaJournal
Republicans must forget about John McCain and move on to far bigger issues!
American conservatives are fed up beyond the level of 2006, when they allowed Democrats to take back control of congress in protest to liberal and moderate Republican policies coming from the Bush Administration and the Republican National Committee controlled congress. I know, because I’m one of them.
They are threatening to guarantee a Democrat White House in 2008 by way of these three equally ill-advised strategies...and Democrats appreciate all three.
▪ Staying home on Election Day in protest
▪ Supporting a non-viable Third Party alternative
▪ Writing in a Real Republican candidate who can’t win
These three options, while they might feel good, will have the same result as 1992, 1996 and 2006, a Clinton or Obama White House for at least four years and a giant, maybe irreversible lurch to the left on a scale never before experienced in the United States.
At another moment in time, I might support all of these methods of protest. But America is at war for its very future. There couldn’t possibly be a worse time in history for such a suicidal strategic blunder.
The race for who will sit in the Oval Office has grabbed all of the headlines for months now and it will continue to dominate the headlines until all the votes are counted in November, even the illegal votes. But the race is already over and America already lost.
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I’m voting and I’m voting for Duncan Hunter. No more American blood for illegal aliens.
i am GOING TO VOTE~!! but I am NOT goign to pull allever for president- only for conservative congress
Irreversible lurch to the left?!! Irreversible lurch to the left?!! Thanks to GWB! I’m not doing it again. No! I won’t be a part of it. IT’S TOO LATE!!
RINO: Definition: Anyone that is rational/reasonable while choosing between McCain and Obama.
Correct. We should get over McCain and pick a candidate that can win. Not too late.
The best thing conservatives can do is abandon the GOP. It’s time to start over.
If the Republicans can figure out a strategy to win WITH McCain and WITHOUT conservatives, then fine, pick McCain. If not the party elite should blame themselves for a democrat victory.
I can see your point but I couldn’t do it. The liberals do that kind of junk and it’s wicked.
Yep. Meddle on the left. Agree. DO IT. I can’t... we’ve already had our shot. I stayed home because Fred already had dropped.
That's the way to win hearts and minds, call them irrational and unreasonable. LOL
You have every right to be lead by the nose to vote for the candidate that the GOP and MSM chose. I have every right to say NO!
America has been at war every moment since the beginning of WWII.
WWII, the cold war, the war on poverty, the war on drugs, etc, etc, etc.
When IS the timne to make your protest known? When the Republican party becomes the hawk wing of the Democratic party?
But I've come around to face the fact that McCain seems solid on the abortion issue, and that is the only issue that is a choice between immediate life and death. We can pontificate (and I have pontificated) about his stupidty re: big government and open borders. But I will likely vote for him on the life and death issue.
The rest of my fellow conservatives will have to decide what's most important to them.
Oh, we’ll vote. Just not for president!
I think it is a big risk to bet on the fact that up to 30% of the players will be dissatisfied. Practically speaking, if there were that many people who felt that strongly about stopping candidate “x” (in this case, McCain), we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place! There would have been enough votes and passion for candidate “y”-—but there wasn’t.
IOW, if what your analogy bets on is likely to occur, I think it would have occurred already. But it didn’t.
So now you are looking at a much smaller percentage (an unknown percentage) of players who are dissatisfied enough to quit. As you acknowledged, the smaller that percentage is, the more likely the only result of disrupting the game is that those players will get kicked off the team or at the least not relied upon in crucial games in the future.
And here’s the further risk: in the immediate scenario, the game WILL be played and the team has to find a way to win IMMEDIATELY. So, while it’s sorting out how to respond to its disgruntled players, it’s also out there actively looking for replacements-—replacements who, by definition, don’t have the same views of those who are disgruntled.
So, as those replacements come on board (in whatever numbers), they are still having the effect of consolidating the team around the very things that those who quit were upset about!
And if the team were to win without the quitters, or even come close-—BUH-BYE. Just like strikers take the risk that they will be replaced permanently, there’s a huge risk associated with trying to change the team’s direction by quitting the team.
My bottom line is this: It’s a BIG risk to try to win by losing.
In the primary, that is a great idea and will help send a message. In November, that is the same thing as voting for Obama or hillary.
But there's no way in hell I'm voting for any anti-First Amendment, anti-Second Amendment, pro-embryonic stem cell research, pro-amnesty liberal...even if he does have an 'R' by his name.
I'm through holding my nose for these liberal RINOs. It's time the liberal RINOs were made to hold their nose for a change or get the hell out of the Republican Party. Preferably both!
I definitely will be voting on election day. I just won’t be voting for McCain (unless he chooses a conservative as his VP). If McCain spites me again by choosing Crist, I will vote for a write-in.
If Ford hadn't lost in 1976, the Reagan Revolution would never have come to pass. And let us not forget that even in the darkest Clinton years, we had the Contract with America courtesy of congressional Republicans who actually acted like Americans for a change!
Sorry the McCattle can go to slaughter without me.
I don’t believe McCain can win, so the issue is moot.
There are good people, who can be counted on to use good judgment, in all sorts of races.
Not going to be dogmatic.
The best thing conservatives can do is abandon the GOP. It’s time to start over.
The best thing conservatives can to is take the GOP back to the right. The way to do that is get involved at the precinct level and try to influence the party upwards at the state level. That means you can't go crossover vote in the dem primaries because that would make you ineligible to participate in party caucuses or become a delegate. It is too late to do much to influence the party in 2008, but by getting on board NOW, you might be able to do something about 2010 and 2012. But if you would prefer to go off and participate in Perot/Buchanan's reform party, or in Nader's Green party, or in some other equivalent go right ahead. You will have all the impact of someone who thinks he can change the environment by urinating in the ocean.
This article was written by a self-important self-flagellating idiot. My conservative vote did not count for a whole lot in moving forward a conservative agenda whenever I voted for guys named George Bush. Now, this clown blames conservatives for being SO POWERFUL as to being blamed for allowing the Democrats to takeover congress. What I did at the polls in 2006 had NOTHING to do with the Republicans losing the congressional majorities. And if the Hillary the Republicans greatest hope for retaining the WH does not get the nomination, my conservative vote will have little to do with the 2008 election.
If someone is a true conservative and support our troops, then they would vote for McCain. Lets cut to the point and name those so called conservatives threatening to demoralise the troops by running away from Iraq as cowards, they are neither conservative or Republicans.
In Mn there is no power at the princinct level. A small group of party insiders run everything here and that is a fact.
McCain thanks you. He still needs 58% of the remaining pledged delegates to guarantee a win on the first ballot. Once that happens, he can blow up all he wants to.
Not really; the time to start over was five or six years ago when we finally became fully aware of the slide of our party away from conservative principles.
Six months ago when McCain and and my favorite Fred Thompson were battling for the #4 spot behind Rudy, Mitt, and Huckabee, I was right here on FR saying there is no way I would support McCain if he was the nominee. Not a chance in H%$@. Now here I am coming to his defense now that my two favorites are no longer running. And coming to his defense was not easy. First I had to find at least a couple of things I agree with him on. They are:
• Fairness Doctrine. He led the fight against it and it will raise its ugly head again under Obama or Hillary. Do you want your favorite conservative station to be 50/50 by order of the Government? It can happen.
• He has not wavered on Right To Life. Now let’s not fool ourselves, Roe V Wade is not going to be overturned with the next President - but we don’t need Hillary and Obama appointing Scotus judges that would make overturning it impossible for decades.
• I mentioned SCOTIS, but there are also 200+ Federal judges that will be appointed by the next President. I would rather leave that up to McCain.
• McCain is a budget hawk. He will find his Veto pen early and often, unlike Bush who did allot of rubber stamping up until his last year.
• And the most important - The Military. Hillary and Obama would destroy the military as an effective fighting force by the sheer number of trained soldiers who would get out as soon as they could. They will be replaced by young people just looking for a job in the poor economy that certainly will come with a quasi-socialist government. Having served in the Navy under Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan I have seen this first hand. Under Jimmy Carter, FTN was very popular graffiti found on the bulkheads of my ship, the stalls in the heads, and at the top of letters the sailors sent home. I’m not going to spell it out but you know what FTN stands for. When Reagan took over this attitude changed and we had pride once again, and re-enlistments went way up, and that foul graffiti disappeared.
If McCain is our nominee, as much as I dislike him I will vote for him for the sake of the military alone.
It's already certain that a Democrat will win the White House in 2008. The only question is whether the winning Democrat will running on the Democrat or GOP ticket.
At another moment in time, I might support all of these methods of protest. But America is at war for its very future. There couldn’t possibly be a worse time in history for such a suicidal strategic blunder.
*Yawn* Party hacks claim that EVERY election.
What about the 14,000 Americans killed by illegal aliens every year? You don't think this is an immediate life and death issue? McCain would have no chance of preventing abortion. He wouldn't have the authority. He would, however, sponsor, push to be enacted, and sign an amnesty bill sentencing more Americans to death at the hands of the criminal invaders. In addition, any decision about abortion, good or bad, can be changed in the future. Once Amnesty is granted to illegal aliens there will be no turning back. You cannot make them illegal again. Our Country will have been permanently altered and the 20,000+ new uneducated, government dependent, Democrat voters will make you pine for the good old days when the U.S. was a sovereign Country.
“I’m voting and I’m voting for Duncan Hunter”
That’s fine.
What are the names of his electors that you must write onto the ballot for that vote to be valid and legitimate?
Does Mr. Hunter even _have_ any electors?
You cannot do a write-in vote for president by writing in the candidate’s name. You MUST write in the names of the electors pledged to him, or the vote won’t even be counted.
You DO understand how write-ins work where the Electoral College is concerned, eh?
- John
The reason is my dream candidate is a Conservative but I will vote for a Republican over any Democrat any day any week. I just did my TAXES and I got creamed again. If the Bush tax cuts aren't made permanent, I don't know how I could make it without downsizing my house. I'm I voting my pocket book? Damn Yes. If all the leaches who vote based on the next handout, I can sure as hell vote to save my income!
If the next election provides me with a conservative idealist, I'll be working and voting for that candidate. As for the next four years, I'm in it for self interest.
I am broken hearted about the lurch to the left with the primary win of McCain. I am agonizing about what to do with my vote and my money in this election, BUT
I LOVE MY COUNTRY MORE THAN I HATE MCCAIN.....
I cannot be a party to help elect Hillary or Obama.
I’ll not vote for the First Amendment infringer......or but I’ll vote for the infringer himself if he repeals the free speech blackout periods of his travesty of a law BEFORE Election Day.
I dislike McCain a LOT and would otherwise NEVER vote for him, but if he’s what they give us, I understand that anything BUT a vote for him is a vote either FOR Hillary or Obama. No two ways about it.
I will NOT have THAT on my conscience.
Has Duncan Hunter (the candidate you said you are voting for) endorsed anybody? What does it say about your perfect candidate, if he has endorsed somebody that you say is a socialist? And what does it say about you if you plan to cast your meaningless ballot for somebody that has endorsed a socialist?
As for your comment that McCain is the same as Obama or hillary, I have found that there are substantial differences between McCain and the democrat nominee that would cause any true conservative to vote for McCain. Here are some examples of those differences:
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Further, in the area of federal judges, we don't know for sure that McCain will give us Alito and Roberts, but we absolutely know for sure that hillary or Obama will give us more Bader Ginsburgs and Breyers.
There are no elector slots on my ballot. Only a slot for a candidate name and I will write in the candidate of MY choice. The Grand Old Plantation isn’t my Massah anymore.
Well said.
I think the RNC is going to be very surprised at the vote total for conservatives that do NOT coattail for McCain.
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