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Lone wheat commodity trader loses £70m bundle
Telegraph (UK) ^ | Last Updated: 1:10am GMT 29/02/2008 | By James Quinn

Posted on 02/28/2008 8:59:12 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin

A sole wheat trader has triggered losses of $141.5m (£70.9m) at MF Global after a failure in the commodity broker's trading technology allowed him to breach trading limits.

The incident highlights the fragility of financial trading systems in fast-moving and volatile markets such as wheat

MF, which was spun out of London-based hedge fund manager Man Group last summer, blamed the losses on a failure in its systems - which it says have now been corrected.

The trader, Evan Dooley from its Memphis office, was fired as soon as the losses, which were run up on Wednesday morning, were discovered.

The incident highlights the fragility of financial trading systems in fast-moving and volatile markets such as wheat, particularly at times of heightened nervousness in the financial system.

Mr Dooley is understood to have taken a large short position in the wheat futures market on Tuesday night, which turned sour when the markets opened on Wednesday morning, as volatility and prices jumped to record highs.

On the CME, soft wheat futures dropped an initial 11pc on news of MF Global's losses, but rebounded by 21pc within five minutes.

Shares in MF Global fell $4.97 to $23.42 as investors worried whether the $141.5m might be just the tip of the iceberg.

But chief executive Kevin Davis stressed that it was an isolated incident, calling it an "aberration" in MF's risk-trading systems, which he believes have now been fixed.

He also said the company will introduce limits on positions taken by all of its traders and customers, including professional traders who have not previously been subjected to MF's automatic close-out system that prevents unsustainable positions from being built.


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That company needs to do a better job of separating the chaff from the wheat traders.
1 posted on 02/28/2008 8:59:13 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
On the CME, soft wheat futures dropped an initial 11pc on news of MF Global's losses, but rebounded by 21pc within five minutes.

Not justifying his actions but, shouldn't he get a bonus or something?
2 posted on 02/28/2008 9:02:20 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: DeaconBenjamin
But chief executive Kevin Davis stressed that it was an isolated incident, calling it an "aberration" in MF's risk-trading systems, which he believes have now been fixed.

My BS meter is off the chart. I have written code for financial systems, and I can't believe this system was that sloppy. Since this is the third "rogue trader" in a few weeks, it seems more likely that these are people who are trading with at least a implicit approval of management, but are getting caught due to the recent volatility in the markets. This is just a cover story to placate shareholders and/or regulatory agencies.

3 posted on 02/28/2008 9:33:44 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

The escaped goats.


4 posted on 02/28/2008 9:53:17 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Vince Ferrer
Wheat recently has been beyond wild. Wildest thing since the Hunts tried to corner silver.
5 posted on 02/28/2008 9:55:31 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Vince Ferrer
Stupid question. Wouldn’t automated safeguards kick in alerting management of the problem before the apple cart gets upset?
6 posted on 02/28/2008 9:56:58 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: kinoxi

Not if he had a short position.


7 posted on 02/28/2008 9:59:56 PM PST by Young Scholar
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I wonder what his resume is going to look like.


8 posted on 02/28/2008 10:03:45 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Young Scholar
This doesn’t strike me as a ‘spur of the moment’ kind of deal. I could be wrong, I often am but...
9 posted on 02/28/2008 10:06:09 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
They certainly ought to. And there will be logs of the transactions. For larger amounts, and certainly for large short transactions, there should be management approval as well.

All three of the "rogue traders" were involved in back end operations in their company's inventory, not in client accounts. Many brokerages and exchanges have an inventory of stocks/bonds/etc which they hold, presumably so their customer accounts can buy from this inventory. Market makers hold an inventory of stocks to provide liquidity so that each buyer does not have to be connected to each seller. It is from these types of inventories that all three rogue traders operated. This makes me very suspicious that management winked at the trading.

10 posted on 02/28/2008 10:12:44 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Hillary would have made a 10,000% profit.


11 posted on 02/28/2008 10:13:24 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Piker! Small fry! Amateur! Odd-lotter! A hundred and fory million in futures, bah, he’ll never become the CEO of Citibank unless he starts to set his sights a little higher!


12 posted on 02/28/2008 10:13:49 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: kinoxi

By often I mean nearly ten percent.


13 posted on 02/28/2008 10:31:45 PM PST by kinoxi
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But he’d work out perfect in a government financial job although loses like that probably aren’t enough to work for the UN.
14 posted on 02/28/2008 10:48:29 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
This was definitely an R.G.E.

Resume Generating Event

15 posted on 02/28/2008 10:52:53 PM PST by Centurion2000 (su - | chown -740 us ./base | kill -9 | cd / | rm -r)
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I’ll bet the wheat traders’ bonuses will be kind of crumby this year.


16 posted on 02/28/2008 10:53:27 PM PST by Roy Tucker
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If a price can drop 11% and rise 21% in five minutes, any system safeguard would just have to stop trading.

Remember, commodity positions are typically “leveraged” ten to one - 10% cash, 90% borrowed money - so even a 1% change in price can explode your position.

The good news is that trading disasters like this are “zero sum.” Someone lost $140 million. Someone won $140 million. And someone, the smartest guy in the room, took a couple percentage points for booking the deal.


17 posted on 02/28/2008 11:45:29 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: jiggyboy
I was thinking the same thing. Citi had 15 days of $100mill or more losses each day. Is anybody going to jail?

Nope.

18 posted on 02/28/2008 11:59:30 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Moonman62
I wonder what his resume is going to look like?

Trader at his next job: "Would you like fry's with that?"

19 posted on 02/29/2008 2:07:08 PM PST by TexasRepublic (When hopelessness replaces hope, it opens the door to evil.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Hmm.
This wasn’t supposed to be possible any more.


20 posted on 02/29/2008 3:04:16 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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