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World's Largest Solar Power Plant Planned in Arizona
CoStar News ^ | Feb. 29, 2008 | Phillip Majarucon

Posted on 03/01/2008 3:28:56 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou

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To: bert
I know what you are saying.

It's not that the farmland are disappearing but the farmers are. Small farms are consolidating into mega-farms. Fewer farmers mean fewer homesteads. Hence old farmhouses and old barns are abandoned and let go to pot.

Happens here alot too.

There was a saying back in the seventies that angered alot of farmers."Get big or get out" and it was encouraged by the Secretary of Agriculure.

Corporate Farming it's called.

Sad to see it happen and I fear it will only get worse. Food production will increase but food quality will declince.
161 posted on 03/01/2008 1:14:34 PM PST by RedMonqey
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; Cvengr
Thanks for the etymology lesson on English units of length. I'll try to remember for the next forced march.

Sunny Outlook: Can Sunshine Provide All U.S. Electricity?

I tried to find that story with the keyword solar. I had to do it the hard way using my name and the keyword energy. It was solarpower that I failed to remember.

162 posted on 03/01/2008 1:16:29 PM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: driftdiver
I don’t see any solutions here.

EXACTLY!

163 posted on 03/01/2008 1:23:20 PM PST by null and void (I slept better when I thought our betters actually were better...)
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To: driftdiver
"Wishful thinking won’t change reality and neither will prower production models straight out of the movies."

Remind us of the foolishnesses from Hollywood that man could land on the moon.


164 posted on 03/01/2008 1:29:29 PM PST by NoLibZone (At the age of 50 - The Offshoring of US Military Projects Has Changed my perscpective.)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
I don't understand the FR kneejerk hostility to solar energy development. I concede the inefficiency with present technology--but who believes that we can never overcome the problems?
165 posted on 03/01/2008 1:34:38 PM PST by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
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To: RedMonqey

I met a young man with a UT degree in agriculture who lives on a few acres but farms on leased land all over the place.

I don’t know how well he does, but he is in the business on gentlemen farmers land and they apparently are happy to be paid some money to rent their idle land.

He was in the business he wanted to be in


166 posted on 03/01/2008 1:48:31 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: NoLibZone

” Remind us of the foolishnesses from Hollywood that man could land on the moon.”

I believe you are referring to Jules Vern’s BOOK. I’d like to see you go to the moon using his technology.

The concept of solar power is great for pool heaters and such. Large scale energy production via solar remains questionable after decades of trying.


167 posted on 03/01/2008 1:49:25 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: Shirerwasright
I would say that your worries are a bit much. There are lots of places where trees grow and suck up lots of the sun's radiant light and energy, right around me - the soil does not seem to be any worse off, in fact it is teaming with all sorts of creatures.

As far as "generate enough power per sf", do you have any such metric for say coal fired plants? I mean, considering the railroad beds, the strip mines, the physical power plants, the grave lots for dead miners, etc. Or perhaps nukes, I mean who wants to live under the shadow of a cooling tower? And, how many acres per MW are consumed by mining, milling, shipping and guarding uranium and its spent substance? Do you have a metric to compare?

168 posted on 03/01/2008 1:54:29 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: webschooner

Only when the baddies are flying over to bomb our cities, then the national guard will fight them off by aiming the mirrors at their planes.


169 posted on 03/01/2008 2:02:25 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: Sunnyflorida

and then by 365 (for kWh per year - the quoted measure). Of course there also is the small mistake in that 1 mW = 1000 kW.


170 posted on 03/01/2008 2:06:48 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: Tammy8

Appreciated. If they are building on farmland, then agree with you that they should have used desert. Arizona has plenty of open land that would great for the location of a solar plant.


171 posted on 03/01/2008 2:12:07 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: mriguy67

All the heat in concentrated on a boiler section which generates superheated steam, which runs turbines.

The mirrors track the sun and focus the heat on the boiler, like a magnifying lens on an ant.

I remember sending many of them up in smoke.

Easy technology, given today’s computer controlled tracking systems, and efficient motors moving the mirrors.

Freznel lens would help too.


172 posted on 03/01/2008 2:14:44 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: Shirerwasright

“It has been proven, soil and items living within it die when cut off from the suns raiant energy.”

Grass doesn’t grow under a cedar tree.


173 posted on 03/01/2008 2:15:43 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: UCANSEE2

“Grass doesn’t grow under a cedar tree.”

Also oak trees will kill the grass, but the primary cause isn’t lack of sunshine. These trees suck up a lot of water.


174 posted on 03/01/2008 2:27:41 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: Tammy8

Uhhhh...just ask yourself what grows in the Arizona desert——besides cactus, of course. I lived there for 3 years——better to “grow” solar power there.


175 posted on 03/01/2008 2:27:54 PM PST by supremedoctrine (w)
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To: Shirerwasright

Any dust covering solar panels in the desert can easily be blown away by the wind turbines.......hahahaha


176 posted on 03/01/2008 2:30:05 PM PST by supremedoctrine (w)
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To: Westlander

Speaking of Homeless, Gila Bend could use the infusion. I was stationed there a number of years back and that town was pretty damn desolate. I enjoyed the freedom of 4 wheeling on a moments notice and defending myself at 1AM at the local watering holes. A big ass solar plant would be wild. I’m for it if it can be cost-effective.


177 posted on 03/01/2008 2:34:21 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: rb22982
Wow, whose average electric bill is $30-$40/month?

Mine's about $5/mo.

But then again, I do have a PV array on the roof...

178 posted on 03/01/2008 2:51:18 PM PST by null and void (I slept better when I thought our betters actually were better...)
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To: null and void

Nice! I’m waiting till a system like that here in NC has about a 5-7 year payback and then I may purchase a system. Right now I’ve calculated it at 15 years with 4% annual increase in electricity each year.


179 posted on 03/01/2008 3:01:23 PM PST by rb22982
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To: null and void

I have a solar heating system for the pool. That works pretty well. Not sure if PV arrays would make it through a hurricane though.


180 posted on 03/01/2008 3:19:01 PM PST by driftdiver
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