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U.S. in the red and getting redder (China going opposite, becoming more capitalistic)
WorldnetDaily ^ | Feb 29,2008 | Ilana Mercer

Posted on 03/01/2008 6:50:39 PM PST by SeekAndFind

"It is not yet true, as it has long been of the United States, that if China were to sneeze, the world would catch pneumonia," comments Times Literary Supplement reviewer Rosemary Righter. But "China's potential capacity to upset the international applecart already exercises financial analysts and other crystal-ball gazers."

It is certainly instructive to see how "the next superpower" responds to the dangers of inflation. While Ben Bernanke continues to cut interest rates to spur easy credit and artificial economic growth – and to make his political masters look good – China raised interest rates six times last year.

The late free market economist Milton Friedman, whose books are wildly popular in the Republic of China, would have probably sided with the actions of the People's Bank. If Chairman Ben were a friend of the American people, rather than pal (and chief counterfeiter) to politicians, he'd raise interest rates and tighten credit too.

China may be experiencing economic jitters, but it is still "running giant surpluses" and, as a crop of new books confirms, is "on the brink of becoming the world's leading trading nation." The Chinese are ditching Mao for Milton, as Americans trust Oprah to pick their literature and leaders. Indeed China is changing. It is "out of the red" in more ways than one. The U.S. is changing too: It's in the red and getting redder.

American Sinophobes are fond of saying that the strength of the Chinese economy is derived from that government's exploitation of its people. But this is to err on the side of social determinism – something Americans are increasingly prone to. It's to imply that unless individuals enjoy a certain political system – ours – they'll never transcend their circumstances. History teaches otherwise. People are driven toward self-actualization no matter what.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: china; red; redder; usa

1 posted on 03/01/2008 6:50:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

We should have kept the communists poor for as long as possible.

Well at least we have cheap poison candy and dog food and gasoline.

No trade with slave labor states.

Regards


2 posted on 03/01/2008 6:52:56 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: ARE SOLE

what does everyone expect?

Does China have welfare, EITC, medicare, medicaid, social security and 20+ million illegal aliens?


3 posted on 03/01/2008 6:55:51 PM PST by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: SeekAndFind

Damn, looks like the more I work, the more I will be taxed by Chairman Osama next year because I’m a greedy capitalist.

Oh well...talk to my Glock.


4 posted on 03/01/2008 6:56:08 PM PST by max americana
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To: SeekAndFind
China is not, and never will be, the "next superpower."

And comparing the US and China by saying that "China is getting more capitalistic while the US is getting less capitalistic" is the same as saying: "Dakota Fanning is getting taller and Shaqille O'Neal is getting shorter."

Trivially true, but not a meaningful indicator.

5 posted on 03/01/2008 6:58:04 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Ethrane
welfare,

Yes.

EITC,

Yes.

medicare,

Yes.

medicaid,

Yes.

social security

Yes.

and 20+ million illegal aliens?

Neither the US nor China have more than 20 million illegal immigrants. But China, like the US, does have a significant illegal immigration problem.

6 posted on 03/01/2008 7:02:07 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

But China, like the US, does have a significant illegal immigration problem.
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But I would be a rather large sum, that China’s methods, and willingness to use those methods, to control illegals, would be and is far more effective than our PC, vote-getting, open border methodology. Far more effective.


7 posted on 03/01/2008 7:09:49 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA
Far more effective.

I think most people would agree that exercising control over all inhabitants of a territory is far more efficient in a totalitarian regime wherein no one has any rights or any recourse against the state's agents.

I would rather have freedom and Mexicans than no freedom and no Mexicans.

Of course, I like both freedom and Mexicans. So that's me.

8 posted on 03/01/2008 7:13:07 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: EagleUSA

Illegal immigration and wildly irresponsible government spending as our most serious problems.


9 posted on 03/01/2008 7:13:12 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Actually, our most serious problem is abortion.

America's 17 million missing 18-35 year olds would have constituted an enormous labor resource and an enormous source of income taxes for government programs.

Instead America unofficially imports millions of young, unskilled laborers and spends billions and billions on housing, feeding and caring for millions of elderly people who have no, or too few, children to support them in their old age.

America turned its back on life, and now we are paying the cost of the most selfish generation ever to burden the earth.

10 posted on 03/01/2008 7:18:26 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting....a friend of mine has a sister who is in China helping the Chinese learn how to set up medical insurance programs....


11 posted on 03/01/2008 7:24:28 PM PST by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character; Being Coddled Destroys Character)
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To: SeekAndFind
[ U.S. in the red and getting redder (China going opposite, becoming more capitalistic) ]

Wrong China is Capitalizing Socialism.. the way Europe and Canada does..

Capitalism creates wealth, socialism uses wealth up..

12 posted on 03/01/2008 7:27:52 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Great Post!!! Thanks!

Scary Fact:

The Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, courtesy of the Republican Party, cost American companies upwards of $1.2 trillion. The capital flight it initiated caused the London Stock Exchange to become the new hub for capital markets. Given America’s habit of forcing its habits on others, SOX struck fear into quite a few Liberal Democratic hearts in the House of Lords. Lord Teverson worried about the “increasing danger of regulatory creep from American regulators that threatens [Britain’s] own light-touch approach to financial regulation.”


13 posted on 03/01/2008 7:29:26 PM PST by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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To: wideawake

LOL


14 posted on 03/01/2008 7:29:31 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: SeekAndFind
the sheer volume of individual economic activity is overpowering state controls.

Ya mean the kids are giving their dads on the CP Central Committee a hard time?

"[China's] factory owners are mostly privileged children of party officials – 90 per cent of China's billionaires are the children of senior cadres – who have a reputation for spending more time in karaoke lounges than boardrooms. They are ill-equipped to act as innovators and entrepreneurs."

Is there any independently supported reason not to believe this? E.g, another news article from a more-or-less trusted source.

15 posted on 03/01/2008 7:54:24 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: wideawake
RE: Yes! to all social programs in China, they have 'em all!

China: Senior Official Seeks More Local Help To Defuse Social Unrest. . . the social-security network has been neglected, millions have fallen deeper into poverty

This article is a year old. Have things improved that much recently?

16 posted on 03/01/2008 8:10:14 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Ya mean the kids are giving their dads on the CP Central Committee a hard time?

I agree that there are cronies and rich kids who control big business, but if you go to China, the sheer number of SMALL BUSINESSES popping up everywhere from shops to retail to tiny things like providing transportation, etc. is OVERWHELMING.

The country is clearly undergoing a huge ( nay, humongous ) capitalistic change.
17 posted on 03/02/2008 3:01:05 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s the balance of trade, stupid!

(you’re not stupid ... but our so-called “free trade” policy sure is)


18 posted on 03/02/2008 3:03:39 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: goodnesswins

Eew, they were going in the right direction turning their Social Security system into a private account based system, but long term this is a wrong turn for the PRC to go into an insurance based health system... better than socialized, sure, but the way our insurance system is so broken, I wouldn’t want to be someone in China trying to receive medical care in the next fifty years, esp if it turns out like ours is now.

oh wait, their communist, so still might not be bad for us if it bankrupts them...

but financially speaking not a good idea—managed care= mangled care.


19 posted on 03/02/2008 3:10:05 AM PST by Schwaeky (The Republic--Shall be reorganized into the first American EMPIRE, for a safe and secure Society!)
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To: SeekAndFind
RE: humongous capitalistic change

Yes, I don't doubt the change. "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics," I think it's called officially. I remember all the horror stories beginning in the late 1940's.

IMO, "capitalistic change" is Deng's version of Lenin's New Economic Plan (NEP). Lenin knew that he could not build the Soviet economy fast enough -- or at all - to prevent another revolution. So he permitted a little economic freedom. Nepmen soon became a major portion of the economy. The ideologues were terrified, end of NEP.

Deng, et al studied NEP and Deng personally grilled Armand Hammer who as a young man was there in Russia at the time.

The Chi-coms believe that they can manage it. It's like wading across a stream. Each step must be carefully executed.

But if the state "withers away".. freedom and democracy in China? What is their social contract? I've always wondered since all the crowing about the wonder of China today.

20 posted on 03/02/2008 9:26:09 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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