Only zero emissions can prevent a warmer planet

http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13395-only-zero-emissions-can-prevent-a-warmer-planet.html ^

[chessplayer]

Greenhouse gas emissions will have to be eliminated completely to stabilise the Earth's climate and prevent temperatures from rising. That’s the conclusion of climatologists in the US who say that our current efforts to merely stabilise emissions will not be enough.

[chessplayer]

If the alarmists are correct, then we are truly screwed, because it will take decades to stop ALL emissions.

[Always Right]

Now I just wish they would start with themselves.....

[Izzy Dunne]

So unless we commit mass suicide NOW, we’re all DOOMED!

[Slapshot68]

“Greenhouse gas emissions will have to be eliminated completely to stabilise the Earth’s climate and prevent temperatures from rising. That’s the conclusion of climatologists in the US who say that our current efforts to merely stabilise emissions will not be enough.”

Right because the Earth’s temperatures never rose prior to mankind arriving on the scene.

And the sad thing is, the sheep will believe it.

[Southack]

1. A warmer planet would grow more crops
2. Our planet is getting colder

[stefanbatory]

Is not water vapor also a greenhouse gas? I guess that means that the hydrogen car won’t be able to help us...

[tx_eggman]

Now I just wish they would start with themselves.....

Yeah, all that CO2 they're emitting when they exhale is give me a headache.

[ThePythonicCow]

Only zero increased emissions can prevent a warmer colder planet

... there, fixed.

[Slapshot68]

“Is not water vapor also a greenhouse gas? I guess that means that the hydrogen car won’t be able to help us...”

I’ve brought this up several times to people who support their development and not one answer did I get.

[ryan71]

“...That’s the conclusion of climatologists in the US...”

I wonder how much money do they need to conduct more $tudie$ to come up with a $olution?

Extortionists!

[kingattax]

global warming is socialism’s trojan horse

[Brett66]

It seems that being environmentalist is license spout insane fantasies.

[BuffaloJack]

> So unless we commit mass suicide NOW, we’re all DOOMED!
The environmentalists should all volunteer to be in the first wave of suicides. After that, us sane folk cane make the decision not to follow them.

[pgkdan]

Greenhouse gas emissions

Does that mean we have to stop breathing too? If so, I suggest we start with the morons who write this kind of garbage.

[Slapshot68]

And not only is water vapor a greenhouse gas, it’s far and away the most abundant. What will millions of cars spewing water vapor into the atmosphere do to the climate I wonder?

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Well then...we’ll just have to buy more carbon credits to fix the planet

[Tex Pete]

“So unless we commit mass suicide NOW, we’re all DOOMED!”

Nope. Our rotting corpses would create many more greenhouse gasses. The earth is screwed.

[goodnesswins]

STOP BREATHING EVERYONE!!!!

[lexington minuteman 1775]

Putting out the Sun would also prevent us from getting warmer..bwahahahaha!
These people certainly are insistent...and wrong!

[Abathar]

Going to take some mighty big corks to plug all the volcanoes, I mean zero emissions means zero emissions right?

I like stories like this because they actually do some good. People sitting on the fence read this stuff and just shake their head like we do, opens their eyes to what kind of idiots are preaching this crap.

[mdmathis6]

I guess they’ll have to cork all volcanoes then,,,,and stop termites from eating dead trees. Whales...now there’s a carbon threat there...quess they’ll have to kill then all with sale powered whaling ships!

[Slapshot68]

“STOP BREATHING EVERYONE!!!!”

I think environmentalists have already started holding their breath. It may explain the brain damage.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

If the alarmists are correct, then we are truly screwed, because it will take decades to stop ALL emissions.

Actually, it's technically impossible to stop ALL emissions.

Even if we all returned to a hunter/gatherer society, the camp fires are going to be emitting CO2, not to mention the nasty gases coming from the billions of corpses left rotting due to mass starvation.

[piytar]

What will millions of cars spewing water vapor into the atmosphere do to the climate I wonder?

Not a #### thing, just like the CO2 emissions aren't doing a #### thing...

[capt. norm]

They will have to impose fines for flatulence.

Squadrons of "fart police" are in training right now.

[Panzerlied]

Let’s see, humans emit carbon dioxide and carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and we need zero greenhouse gas emissions...

EXTERMINATE THEM!

[Slapshot68]

“What will millions of cars spewing water vapor into the atmosphere do to the climate I wonder?

Not a #### thing, just like the CO2 emissions aren’t doing a #### thing...”

Exactly.

[DBrow]

The only way toward a cooler planet is to adjust the three orbital eccentricities of the Earth (look up Milankovitch Cycles) and regulate solar output (see Maunder Minimum).

Or move to orbital habitats, or build Ringworld (Discworld has some issues).

[kingattax]

wait until these phony morons start campaigning to rid the world of cows

[Slapshot68]

“Let’s see, humans emit carbon dioxide and carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and we need zero greenhouse gas emissions...

EXTERMINATE THEM!”

Oh CO2 is far more than a greenhouse gas...it’s a pollutant according to the SCOTUS.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/02/AR2007040200487.html

For 40 years, I’ve been recklessly polluting the atmosphere with my exhalations. OOHHHH the guilt!!!!

/s off

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

Why don’t they go all the way to beyond stupid and argue that the dinosaurs will come back and eat us? Then they could back off that argument and revert to this kind of argument.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

A scientist says this ?

[Maneesh]

In fact water vapor is 95% of all greenhouse gases. Carbon Di Oxide is less than 1% of all greenhouse gases and of that 1% man made sources are only 9 - 10% at best. Even if we could reduce that to zero it would make little to no impact to global climate. If Kyoto were implemented in full it would drop temps by 0.03 degrees in 50 years which is hardly perceptible.

The global warming movement is the latest home of the communists whose primary goal is to bring down capitalism.

[CedarDave]

This is the most hilarious article I have read in a long time. The authors (and all of us) would be well served to listen to a contrary and more scientific viewpoint here:

The 2008 International Conference on Climate Change ^

[pallis]

Oh hoodookies! We are entering a mini ice age, brought on by an early calm sunspot cycle and several volcanoes that are going to erupt in the near future. Firewood for Sale! Stock up now.

[massgopguy]

If we eliminate all CO2 every sacred tree will die.

[aruanan]

If the alarmists are correct, then we are truly screwed, because it will take decades to stop ALL emissions.

Not if they get everybody to commit suicide all at once.

[Old Professer]

If this were indeed so, then it would be the very best news of all; at last we would have a way to engineer the climate!

Who said that the world needs to freeze for half the year just to be comfortable the other half?

It is a lot more beneficial to have a longer growing season, less winter heating, and lots of pollution-washing storms.

We even know how long we have before we need to move to higher ground - at least 200 years before we get to 2000 tonnes - why would we complain about that?

By then we would have replaced the entire population twice as well as 90% of the infrastructure (historically-important buildings and other such romantic truck still rotting under their new paint jobs.)

Now, let’s get back to work and let the worrywarts feed their therapists.

[Gorzaloon]

New"Scientist".com is not worthy of any web hits, except to illustrate the failure of Science Education in the public schools. There is nothing "New" here but indoctrination, and very little Science.

I put them in my hosts file months ago in case I accidently hit a link of theirs.

[e-male]

If these guys were real scientists their conclusion would be, “its pointless to try to lower our emissions enough to stop global warming.” Because even they can’t stop themselves from turning on the lights.

[dfwgator]

STOP BREATHING EVERYONE!!!!

And layoff them beans.

[CedarDave]

PING!!

How fun with this one!!

[vpintheak]

As long as cows keep belching, we cannot stop it.

[CedarDave]

If New Scientist leaned any further to the port side, they’d tip over and crunch their tin-foil hats.

[Gorzaloon]

If New Scientist leaned any further to the port side, they’d tip over and crunch their tin-foil hats.

..And their stern would be up in the air, where they like it.

[ConservaTexan]

Only zero emissions can prevent a warmer planet

Too late, I had a bowl of Chili for lunch. Sorry.

[jas3]

This is a link to the abstract.

And here's what the abstract says:

Current international climate mitigation efforts aim to stabilize levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. However, human-induced climate warming will continue for many centuries, even after atmospheric CO2 levels are stabilized. In this paper, we assess the CO2 emissions requirements for global temperature stabilization within the next several centuries, using an Earth system model of intermediate complexity. We show first that a single pulse of carbon released into the atmosphere increases globally averaged surface temperature by an amount that remains approximately constant for several centuries, even in the absence of additional emissions. We then show that to hold climate constant at a given global temperature requires near-zero future carbon emissions. Our results suggest that future anthropogenic emissions would need to be eliminated in order to stabilize global-mean temperatures. As a consequence, any future anthropogenic emissions will commit the climate system to warming that is essentially irreversible on centennial timescales.

What it should say is ..any future anthropogenic emissions inside our model by model humans will commit the model's climate system to warming inside the model that is essentially irreversible on model centennial timescales.

jas3

[Old Professer]

The way all the current computer models work is by analysing all the known, workable variables in the present atmosphere including the current amount of CO2; using today’s global temperatures, they then enter an arbitrary amount of future CO2 along with a reference to the past [let’s say co+5] and then set the computer off to compute how much that changes the starting point.

In other words, no matter how many other variables there may be, the only one being weighted is CO2 and so, if you increase its weight you must get a warmer outcome.

These two guys just started out without the rest of the variables and then entered co+n; co+2n; co+4n, etc.

How could they help but get an increase as they added even more - there is no room in the scheme to allow a subtraction.

[Rastus]

global warming is socialism’s trojan horse

That's the most important point in the whole "environmentalism" debate. It's a pretty brilliant strategy they've hit on: indoctrinate the kids, and if you're against it, you're for dirty air, dirty water and stranding the cute li'l polar bears.

[texas_mrs]

This whole thing is a load of crap. It really IS a vast left-wing conspiracy involving Gore & a guy named Maurice Strong (there is ALOT of info about him out there that will make you wonder why you never heard of him) including the fact that even though he is a friend of algore, he is also working with the chinese against US.

Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it