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To: Jim Robinson
In other words, Buckley's view of government was of Washington's America, while Lofton's is Calvin's Geneva.

I prefer the former.

4 posted on 03/03/2008 2:05:15 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

Or England under Oliver’s Army.


14 posted on 03/03/2008 2:12:34 PM PST by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: wideawake

“I prefer the former.”

No, Lofton’s view of government is Washington’s America and Buckley’s is Payne’s America.


30 posted on 03/03/2008 2:24:17 PM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: wideawake
“In other words, Buckley’s view of government was of Washington’s America, while Lofton’s is Calvin’s Geneva.

I prefer the former.”

Me too. I read Paul Johnson’s “A History of Christianity” and was appalled how Christianity degraded itself once it got power within the Roman government. With the fall of Rome, Christianity supplied the structure that people needed in its vacuum. Bishops took the role of Roman Senators. People did not distinguish between civil and ecclesiastical authority. Politics entered the Church—and the Church abused its power.

Then when the Protestants rebelled against Catholicism, they repeated the error, blending Church with State and leading to the 30 years war in Germany. In both examples, Protestant and Catholic, Church and State suffer when blended.

Finally in the US, we split the government from religion and we have had the most successful, prosperous nation in history, and the only major economic power with a strong Christian base in its population.

The failure lies not in Christ, but in humanity and our inability to govern ourselves, let alone others. The wisdom of our nation’s founders in separating the powers of government was, in my opinion, divinely inspired. May we return to such wisdom and follow the Constitution again.

102 posted on 03/03/2008 4:03:49 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not die)
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To: wideawake
... Buckley's view of government was of Washington's America, while Lofton's is Calvin's Geneva.

I prefer the former.

You would not have Washington's America without Calvin's Geneva:

All this has been thoroughly understood and candidly acknowledged by such penetrating and philosophic historians as Bancroft, who far though he was from being Calvinistic in his own personal convictions, simply calls Calvin "the father of America," and adds: "He who will not honor the memory and respect the influence of Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty."
Calvinism in America

Cordially,

146 posted on 03/04/2008 8:28:05 AM PST by Diamond
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To: wideawake

Me too.


150 posted on 03/04/2008 9:02:04 AM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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