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Inside the Ring: China missiles (carrier-killers)
Washington Times ^ | 03/07/08 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 03/08/2008 9:05:17 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Inside the Ring

March 7, 2008

By Bill Gertz - China missiles

One little-noticed intelligence disclosure contained in the Pentagon's annual report on Chinese military power says China now has ballistic missiles designed to hit U.S. aircraft carriers and ships at sea.

The missiles are described in the report as part of China's "anti-access/area denial capabilities" that include "anti-ship ballistic missiles designed to strike ships at sea, including aircraft carriers."

Using a ballistic missile to target ships requires a degree of sophistication not shown by Chinese missiles in the past, and indicates China's military has mastered precision missile targeting, no doubt helped by the theft of U.S. warhead design and other secrets through espionage in the 1990s.

Other new weapons that are part of the precision-guided missile arsenal are advanced cruise missiles, medium-range ballistic missiles, the direct ascent anti-satellite missiles, like the one tested in January 2007.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anticarrier; antiship; china; chinathreat; chinesemilitary; dod; gertz; missiles; navair; redchina
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1 posted on 03/08/2008 9:05:18 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; maui_hawaii; Jeff Head; Tainan; hedgetrimmer; Unam Sanctam; taxesareforever; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/08/2008 9:06:00 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
One little-noticed intelligence disclosure contained in the Pentagon's annual report on Chinese military power says China now has ballistic missiles designed to hit U.S. aircraft carriers and ships at sea.

Thanks to traitor Bill Clinton, "husband" of that socialist pig Hillary Clinton.

3 posted on 03/08/2008 9:08:11 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Theft hell!

Bill Clinton sold it to them.


4 posted on 03/08/2008 9:08:13 PM PST by sport
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To: TigerLikesRooster
... no doubt helped by the theft of U.S. warhead design and other secrets through espionage in the 1990s.

Thanks Slick and Slickette. No wonder the Chinese money keeps flowing to your coffers.

5 posted on 03/08/2008 9:08:19 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“no doubt helped by the theft of U.S. warhead design and other secrets through espionage in the 1990s.”

I didn’t know Bill Clinton had a nickname. ‘espionage’.

Must be a French thing.


6 posted on 03/08/2008 9:08:27 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

People can deny it all they want, BUT one day in the next 50 years, there will be a very big war btwn the U.S. and the ChiComms.


7 posted on 03/08/2008 9:08:31 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; patton; neverdem
Gee, I wonder if Loral/Clinton's buddies even care that Chinese money paid Clinton to authorize Loral (and a few others) to “fix” Chinese rockets so their “satellites” could get into orbit without breaking up?

Waiting for the MSM to notice ....

8 posted on 03/08/2008 9:08:51 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

That would be what the BMD destroyers and cruisers (and their SM3 missiles) are for.


9 posted on 03/08/2008 9:11:30 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Waiting for the MSM to notice ....

Not going to happen!!!!


10 posted on 03/08/2008 9:12:28 PM PST by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: Rembrandt

and the chicoms have been funded by wall mart...and stupid lazy americans who buy chicom crap...


11 posted on 03/08/2008 9:13:00 PM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Chinagate did die a quick death victim of sexual exploits of a deviate President didnt it.. And the Queen of Hearts is fixing to be Commander in Chief in his place.. Ot the Mad Hatter in her place with her being selected to the poisonous brew in some high place..

Chinagate is the crime of the century.. incredible malfeance..Winked at... And then we have the Sandy Burgler affair.. Interesting times await..

12 posted on 03/08/2008 9:19:30 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
This seems appropriate here.... link
13 posted on 03/08/2008 9:20:19 PM PST by squidly
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Oh! Great!
Thanks ClinToon!
(You B@st@rd!)
14 posted on 03/08/2008 9:26:21 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Another interesting thing to note, is that in public news from years ago, China was manufacturing anti-ship missiles at several hundred missiles per ship (to get through defenses).


15 posted on 03/08/2008 9:31:18 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Thanks Bill and Hillary!


16 posted on 03/08/2008 9:31:21 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: familyop
That is so Chinese. Missile wave a la human wave.
17 posted on 03/08/2008 9:32:45 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: Crim
"and the chicoms have been funded by wall mart...and stupid lazy americans who buy chicom crap..."

Sure. We should be thankful to importers who use computers and cars with all American parts in them.
18 posted on 03/08/2008 9:33:52 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"That is so Chinese. Missile wave a la human wave."

...agreed. It reminds me of stories from veterans of the Chosin Reservoir fight.
19 posted on 03/08/2008 9:34:57 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: familyop
A private questions his sargeant during the Korean War.

"Hey sarge, how many hordes in a Chinese platoon?"

20 posted on 03/08/2008 9:47:26 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: familyop

Buy china = support china

Pretty simple equation...


21 posted on 03/08/2008 9:55:39 PM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Rembrandt

People can deny it all they want, BUT one day in the next 50 years, there will be a very big war btwn the U.S. and the ChiComms.


Oh, don’t worry. President Obama will negotiate peace with them long before it comes to war.


22 posted on 03/08/2008 10:11:09 PM PST by CZB
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To: CZB
Something strange about this story.

A “ballistic” missile typically means a multi-stage rocket that is fired almost into space, then releases a warhead that passively drops back to earth at great speed, onto a fixed location, like a city or a military installation.

The warhead may have “evasive” capabilities, but its target is pre-set, and it has no ability to track or follow something that is moving.

Perhaps this means China has targeted sections of the Pacific Ocean for nuclear attack?

Interesting, but no more difficult than targeting Los Angeles.

23 posted on 03/08/2008 10:37:10 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: CZB

Just remember,

Those who call themselves intellectual, are voting for him because they want “change.”


24 posted on 03/08/2008 10:40:42 PM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

bump


25 posted on 03/08/2008 10:53:34 PM PST by Centurion2000 (su - | echo "All your " | chown -740 us ./base | kill -9 | cd / | rm -r | echo "belong to us")
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To: zeestephen

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/glossarytermsm/g/m4173.htm


26 posted on 03/08/2008 11:12:31 PM PST by dsc
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To: Rembrandt

The war will come sooner rather than later and its one we may not win. Once China starts her march to expand it may well be hard to stop her and I don’t know if the US will have the guts to do it. With a Democrat in the White House who seeks a UN solution we could lose Hawaii to China.


27 posted on 03/08/2008 11:22:47 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: dsc

dsc - not sure what your link about MIRV’s has to do with my post - one warhead, or multiple warheads, they are ALL still passive warheads, on pre-set targets, that cannot track or follow a moving ship.


28 posted on 03/08/2008 11:30:42 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: TigerLikesRooster

FR bookmark


29 posted on 03/09/2008 12:03:34 AM PST by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Gee, I wonder if Loral/Clinton's buddies even care that Chinese money paid Clinton to authorize Loral (and a few others) to “fix” Chinese rockets so their “satellites” could get into orbit without breaking up?

Waiting for the MSM to notice ....

Party Donations Show G.O.P. Edge

Don't count on the MSM, but we should be able to use Clinton's "3 a.m. Phone Call" Ad against either of them and their party.

30 posted on 03/09/2008 12:34:18 AM PST by neverdem
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To: TigerLikesRooster; milford421

Bump.


31 posted on 03/09/2008 12:36:08 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1886546/posts?page=4972#4972 45 Item Communist Manifesto)
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To: Crim
For every dollar spent on chicom crap, a big part of that dollar will be used to buy the munitions China needs in it's coming Quest for Global domination.

Yet the sheep of this Nation gleefully build that arsenal each and every day...

32 posted on 03/09/2008 12:36:41 AM PST by JDoutrider (No 2nd Amendment... Know Tyranny)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

We might be outraged by this, but the left and their media stooges think it’s a good thing. They hate OUR military and would probably like nothing better than to see a couple of our carriers sunk.


33 posted on 03/09/2008 12:49:05 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: zeestephen

Wasn’t there anything in that article about maneuvering reentry vehicles? Sorry.


34 posted on 03/09/2008 1:33:36 AM PST by dsc
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To: hosepipe
Chinagate is the crime of the century.. incredible malfeance..Winked at...

Well, in his defense, Peter Jennings knew he wasn't going to be around for the down side.

35 posted on 03/09/2008 3:22:42 AM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: Crim
Buy china = support china... Pretty simple equation...

My last computer purchase was a South Korean monitor to avoid buying a Chinese product.

In buying Chinese products, I'm doing pretty well right now at Florida yard sales.

No sense in financing new Chinese aggression when "used" Chinese tools, toys, and computer products can be kept out of landfills and given "a second life".

36 posted on 03/09/2008 3:35:28 AM PDT by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: familyop
"...several hundred missiles per ship (to get through defenses)..."

Would that have been the "Sunburn" missile?

37 posted on 03/09/2008 4:35:41 AM PDT by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: The Duke
What down side.. I see no down side.. Treason is the order of the day in Washington D.C. Political espionage is rampant and well paid.. on both sides of the aisle..

All three major candidates are funded by George Soros among other nefarious sources.. Yes,, John McLaim too..

38 posted on 03/09/2008 4:53:46 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: zeestephen; patton; Doohickey
dsc - not sure what your link about MIRV’s has to do with my post - one warhead, or multiple warheads, they are ALL still passive warheads, on pre-set targets, that cannot track or follow a moving ship.

Classically, yes. Before we invented and the Chinese copies the idea “smart” controllable ballastically-launched (high altitude rockets with controllable re-entry warheads. Now, the rocket and warhead are both “steered” high in flight, and the flights are so short (<20 minutes) that all that's needed is a target point in range. Essentially.

They still aren't as accurate as cruise missiles, and the target data needs to be up-to-date (15 minutes prior to launch or so) so nuke warheads are assumed.

39 posted on 03/09/2008 5:05:19 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: hosepipe
Chinagate did die a quick death victim of sexual exploits of a deviate President didnt it.. And the Queen of Hearts is fixing to be Commander in Chief in his place..

I remember... but man don't. I couldn't believe it when she ran the 3 AM ad, and worse yet, that it appeared effective. HRC, who "loathes" the military, brings up the issue of her qualifications to be Commander In Chief. Do you think she's practicing her salute?

40 posted on 03/09/2008 6:07:37 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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41 posted on 03/09/2008 6:52:31 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: sport

“Theft hell!

Bill Clinton sold it to them.”

-

It’s not just Clinton.

Every time you shop at Wal*Mart, you help pay for more.


42 posted on 03/09/2008 6:54:20 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Rembrandt

In five or less.


43 posted on 03/09/2008 7:01:12 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The Republican Party must die!)
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To: hosepipe

“All three major candidates are funded by George Soros among other nefarious sources.. Yes,, John McLaim too..”

Precisely, but the sheeple get upset when you point that out.
Almost 70% of FR refuse to admit the plain truth.


44 posted on 03/09/2008 7:05:00 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The Republican Party must die!)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Dont know about those numbers but some are oblivious


45 posted on 03/09/2008 7:09:37 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Exactly, and thanks to a Congress that would not look into and an Attorney General who stopped them and Starr from doing it.
The first woman Attorney General helped to make sure that our grandchildren would not be safe, while the first woman Secretary of State assisted in whatever way she could. And now they want a first woman or black president to finish us off.


46 posted on 03/09/2008 7:21:36 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: zeestephen; TigerLikesRooster
The contention is, and has been fairly widely discussed, that the Chicomms have manueverable RVs on these warheads.

But, to date, all I have seen has told me that they remain nuclear.

If that is the case, one use of such a weapon would unleash America's arsenal on China. It would play to our absolute strength in terms of numbers, quality, and accuracy in nuclear missiles. Veyr un-Chinese...very un-Sun Tsu.

Without a premptive nuclear strike against our bomber bases and missile silos, they would not, IMHO, consider use of such a weapon. And that would again, play to our strength. In any case, they would not get our SSBN's at sea, which carry many times more missiles than in the entire Chinese arsenal.

So, one of three things:

1) The Chinese would only use such a weapon as a last ditch effort, in the middile of an otherwise disasterous situation at whidch time they would also be launching a general nuclear war against us.

2) The Chinese are waiting for a weak democratic President and believe a weak president would not respond to such an out an out atrocity (and I believe they are wrong here...outside of maybe Obama).

3) The Chinese have a conventional capability for these missiles and guidance systems (which themselves are iffy IMHO) that we are unaware of.

That last is not so unheard of. We have considered the same ourtselves.

47 posted on 03/09/2008 8:43:00 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: CZB
Don't you mean negotiate surrender before the war?
48 posted on 03/09/2008 8:45:33 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Fretting over this is silly.

EVERYONE IN THE WORLD knows that the price of a sunken US Aircraft Carrier is the complete and total annhiliation of your nation via WMD. An aircraft carrier is a capital, strategic asset. It carries dozens of nukes...and up to 6000 personnel.

Fully loaded...to include the cost of replacement manpower it's worth upwards of $15bil.

49 posted on 03/09/2008 11:27:58 AM PDT by Mariner
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To: mad_as_he$$

Don’t you mean negotiate surrender before the war?


Yes. The Obama Doctrine. Peace through surrender.


50 posted on 03/09/2008 1:16:52 PM PDT by CZB
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