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Inside the Ring: China missiles (carrier-killers)
Washington Times ^ | 03/07/08 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 03/08/2008 9:05:17 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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41 posted on 03/09/2008 6:52:31 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: sport

“Theft hell!

Bill Clinton sold it to them.”

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It’s not just Clinton.

Every time you shop at Wal*Mart, you help pay for more.


42 posted on 03/09/2008 6:54:20 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Rembrandt

In five or less.


43 posted on 03/09/2008 7:01:12 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The Republican Party must die!)
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To: hosepipe

“All three major candidates are funded by George Soros among other nefarious sources.. Yes,, John McLaim too..”

Precisely, but the sheeple get upset when you point that out.
Almost 70% of FR refuse to admit the plain truth.


44 posted on 03/09/2008 7:05:00 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The Republican Party must die!)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Dont know about those numbers but some are oblivious


45 posted on 03/09/2008 7:09:37 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Exactly, and thanks to a Congress that would not look into and an Attorney General who stopped them and Starr from doing it.
The first woman Attorney General helped to make sure that our grandchildren would not be safe, while the first woman Secretary of State assisted in whatever way she could. And now they want a first woman or black president to finish us off.


46 posted on 03/09/2008 7:21:36 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: zeestephen; TigerLikesRooster
The contention is, and has been fairly widely discussed, that the Chicomms have manueverable RVs on these warheads.

But, to date, all I have seen has told me that they remain nuclear.

If that is the case, one use of such a weapon would unleash America's arsenal on China. It would play to our absolute strength in terms of numbers, quality, and accuracy in nuclear missiles. Veyr un-Chinese...very un-Sun Tsu.

Without a premptive nuclear strike against our bomber bases and missile silos, they would not, IMHO, consider use of such a weapon. And that would again, play to our strength. In any case, they would not get our SSBN's at sea, which carry many times more missiles than in the entire Chinese arsenal.

So, one of three things:

1) The Chinese would only use such a weapon as a last ditch effort, in the middile of an otherwise disasterous situation at whidch time they would also be launching a general nuclear war against us.

2) The Chinese are waiting for a weak democratic President and believe a weak president would not respond to such an out an out atrocity (and I believe they are wrong here...outside of maybe Obama).

3) The Chinese have a conventional capability for these missiles and guidance systems (which themselves are iffy IMHO) that we are unaware of.

That last is not so unheard of. We have considered the same ourtselves.

47 posted on 03/09/2008 8:43:00 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: CZB
Don't you mean negotiate surrender before the war?
48 posted on 03/09/2008 8:45:33 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Fretting over this is silly.

EVERYONE IN THE WORLD knows that the price of a sunken US Aircraft Carrier is the complete and total annhiliation of your nation via WMD. An aircraft carrier is a capital, strategic asset. It carries dozens of nukes...and up to 6000 personnel.

Fully loaded...to include the cost of replacement manpower it's worth upwards of $15bil.

49 posted on 03/09/2008 11:27:58 AM PDT by Mariner
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To: mad_as_he$$

Don’t you mean negotiate surrender before the war?


Yes. The Obama Doctrine. Peace through surrender.


50 posted on 03/09/2008 1:16:52 PM PDT by CZB
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To: Red6

Just remember,

Those who call themselves intellectual, are voting for him because they want “change.”


What? You don’t believe in the “peace through capitulation” Obama Doctrine?


51 posted on 03/09/2008 1:18:45 PM PDT by CZB
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To: zeestephen

Something strange about this story.

A “ballistic” missile typically means a multi-stage rocket that is fired almost into space, then releases a warhead that passively drops back to earth at great speed, onto a fixed location, like a city or a military installation.

The warhead may have “evasive” capabilities, but its target is pre-set, and it has no ability to track or follow something that is moving.

Perhaps this means China has targeted sections of the Pacific Ocean for nuclear attack?

Interesting, but no more difficult than targeting Los Angeles.


I think it is a ballistic missile, or family of them, that are built for attacks on opponent naval assets. A ballistic missile can carry a conventional warhead, I just don’t think the 20th century model really was designed for such an app. They might be thinking they can nuke a carrier battle group. But like I said, with the Obama “peace through handover of Hawaii and other states with few electoral votes” doctrine in play, I doubt the Chinese will have to launch anything.


52 posted on 03/09/2008 1:32:07 PM PDT by CZB
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53 posted on 03/09/2008 2:00:48 PM PDT by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: CZB
That's called sarcasm.

Of course not. The danger with democracy and a free people is that it allows for ignorance and complacency. A free society needs God. A secular and free people become hedonistic and nihilist, a trend you do see today in American society. Our nation is free for one reason, we are willing to kill people to remain such.

The day we resign and look inward, pretending what happens out there does not affect us, is the day we not only fall as the leading nation, it will be the day the West begins its decline like so many great civilizations before us.

We are the core of the West. We set the trend, the standard, we are the symbolic embodiment of the free world. Why do you think the WTC (economic), Pentagon (military), and White House (political) were selected? Like Vienna was the center of culture in the past, we are at the heart of the world order today. Our demise will be followed by the demise the entire Western free world, even though no one realizes it.

There is no such thing as a free lunch; especially when it comes to freedom.

54 posted on 03/09/2008 2:13:33 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: hosepipe
Interesting times await..

Don't bank on this ever being solved.

55 posted on 03/09/2008 2:16:19 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: Mariner

You honestly think there is anyone in the chain of command that would nuclear? I don’t.


56 posted on 03/09/2008 2:23:39 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: nygoose
[ Don't bank on this ever being solved. ]

Your goose might be goosed and then cooked..

57 posted on 03/09/2008 2:32:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: zeestephen

The Soviets were at one time developing a variant of the SS-N-8 Sawfly that was supposed to be able to target surface ships. I would assume that targeting data was supposed to originate from either an AV-MF Bear or a RORSAT. Radar terminal guidance, but still a nuke warhead.


58 posted on 03/09/2008 5:19:09 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder)
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To: CZB
OK, let's assume you are a U.S. carrier commander and are tasked to sail the Western pacific. What tactics would you develop?

How about for Naval procurement, what weapons would you seek to develop and deploy? Look at how much money has been poured into MRAPs in response to IEDs, surely the Navy must be working on some type of counter. What if the counter to the Chinese anti-carrier area denial strategy is not something that involves carriers, but involves other assets like 1) subs 2) bombers out of Guam 3) space assets 4) undersea robots?

I wonder if in an actual conflict if the carrier actions would be the least critical aspect of the conflict, that 98% of the action would be above the action or below the surface.

If I had my druthers I would be working with Taiwan to cover the entire Taiwan strait with sensors in place that would track all Chicom naval assets that could then be hit by SSBNs at leisure.

59 posted on 03/10/2008 10:58:09 AM PDT by ReveBM
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To: hosepipe
What down side.. I see no down side..

Only WW3.

60 posted on 03/10/2008 11:43:06 AM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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