Posted on 03/13/2008 12:19:36 PM PDT by Red Badger
We’ll get bio-diesel at $4 per gallon, and bread for $20 per loaf.
Coal and shale oil are the right answers, not bio-diesel.
Coincidently, his friends in Indonesia have a large amount of it also, and soon after he put ours off limits, his friends were able to up their exports to us tremendously.
I'm sure that lined Clinton's pockets quite well!
Forget soybeans, forget vegetable oils, think ALGAE!!..........And GARBAGE & TRASH.........and SEWAGE.........AND WASTE OILS..........AND COAL!!!..........ALL of these can be made into DIESEL FUELS...........
Coal can be made into diesel.............
I don’t know what’s in their portfolios, but the next government mandate should be that all elected officials have to walk or ride bicycles until oil gets back to $35 a barrel.
W needs to do something totally uncharacteristic of himself, promote innovation and investment, then get the government the hell out of the way.
Renewable fuels. This is a blast from the hippy 70s. Renewable resources. Say no! to petrochemicals.
The DC elites, including President, down-to-earth-rancher next door Bush JUST DON'T GET IT.
Ethanol's use of corn and the rising price of gas is pricing vittles out of the reach of common folk, whom he and the libs profess to be so very much for.
How about kicking some teeth in and some butt out of the lobbying halls of Congress and getting on, triple time, with drilling in ANWR and building refineries.
Alternative fuel is an esteemable goal; meantime, the world turns on petroleum--let's get our supply and use it. After all, what are we saving it for? If alternative fuels are coming, let's use our oil supply to keep prices down until a good alternative arrives--ETHANOL AIN'T IT!
vaudine
There is a company that intends to create some kind of organism that produces just such a product. No more oil imports at $110 barrel. (52 gallons)
...the energy balance of biodiesel is 3.24, compared to 1.25 for ethanol...
From this site
This is a VERY high estimate in my opinion. Fuel from organics is a pipedream.
The only people that think that 3.24 is good are people who don’t understand what that would take us down from compared to oil.
They are not building refineries because we are hitting peak oil. By the time they get refineries (3-6 years) built there won't be enough oil to run through them.
But they aren't yet, are they?
Maybe someone can answer this who is more knowledgeable than me on the matter but...Why can’t Bush simply sign an executive order allowing drilling in ANWR. Clinton signed many orders without the support of Congress (gays in military ect el) What is stopping the President for allowing this. He will have the full support of the American people with the exception of the small percentage of the radical environmentalists.
Biodiesel from algae may be viable. Here is a quote from an article on Shell’s venture:
“Shell bets on algae to make biodiesel
By Ed Crooks
Published: December 12 2007 02:00 | Last updated: December 12 2007 02:00
Royal Dutch Shell hopes to build a commercial plant producing biodiesel from algae in two years’ time, following the launch yesterday of a joint venture to develop a research project in Hawaii.
The joint venture, with Hawaii-based HR Biopetroleum, will initially build a small research plant but hopes to move to a full-scale commercial plant of 20,000 hectares. Shell said it expected yields of about 60 tonnes of oil per hectare a year, meaning a full-scale plant would produce 1.2m tonnes of oil a year.
The two companies did not reveal the size of the investment, but Shell will have a majority stake in the company, called Cellana.
Shell has held back from production of first-generation biofuels such as ethanol and biodiesel from vegetable oil, focusing on second-generation fuels that can be produced from non-food plants or plant waste. It has argued that government support for biofuels ought to give greater incentives to second-generation products on the grounds they are likely to have much better environmental performance, particularly in cutting carbon dioxide emissions.”
Link http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0c2d084a-a857-11dc-9485-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1
Until they find a way to effectively lower the pour-point and raise the cetane levels, biodeisel will never be a viable alternative. Besides, they use food to make it! Should use switchgrass, but that’s an argument for another day.
It will be no pipe dream. Biotech companies are working on it today.
Environmentalist are killing every new coal fired generating plant. They are the enemy of America
They also hate all coal conversion plans. Converting coal to diesel produces too much CO2
I despise these people so much
Algae to diesel production can be done anywhere there is sun. And, the food can come from raw sewage. For those CO2 nuts, C02 from fossil fuel electrical production goes to good use with algae cultivation. Such operations can be set up in waste land where there is good sunlight.
One such corporation is Green Fuel Technology of Arizona.
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