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Breaking Silence About the B-3
Strategy Page ^ | 3/13/08 | Jim Dunnigan

Posted on 03/13/2008 5:37:53 PM PDT by Renfield

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To: July 4th

Thanks for prompting me to do a little hunting for XB-70 info.

Even if it’s from Wikipedia, I do like the first photo they have of
the XB-70 flying over rocky mountains...looks like a futuristic
spaceship cruising some desolate, rocky moon.

Here’s a link to the full resolution version of the photo
(WARNING: pretty big image for dial-up users!)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/North_American_XB-70_in_Flight_EC68-2131.jpg


21 posted on 03/13/2008 6:17:47 PM PDT by VOA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bush flew the F 104. The one in the picture looks like a bigger plane to me, maybe the F106 delta dart.


22 posted on 03/13/2008 6:18:17 PM PDT by strongbow
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To: irishtenor

Yep—not just tooling. All of the design and development costs, infrastructure, training, etc. Congress and DOD need a basic lesson in economic ordering quantity. Building 20 of just about anything is bound to be expensive. IIRC, the cost of the B-2, had they built the initial quantity they planned (120?) was twice the cost of a 747 (that had a much higher production rate).


23 posted on 03/13/2008 6:20:41 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Renfield

How about we just nuke the camel jockeys and the chicoms and then we wouldn’t need them,


24 posted on 03/13/2008 6:22:55 PM PDT by taillightchaser (!)
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To: Nowhere Man

Their wings have all been broken off.


25 posted on 03/13/2008 6:24:29 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: strongbow

Bush flew the F-102A Delta Dagger. The F-106 Delta Dart is similar, a later version.

The F-104 was a Strafighter—basically a missile with stubby wings and a high tail.


26 posted on 03/13/2008 6:25:36 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: wolfpat

LOL..A musician,eh?...that’s the first thing that came to my mind ,too.


27 posted on 03/13/2008 6:25:55 PM PDT by Carl LaFong (Building Code Under Fire)
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To: exit82

Strafighter = Starfighter for the F-104.


28 posted on 03/13/2008 6:27:02 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; strongbow
That's a TB-58 flying chase, not a fighter.

This photo shows XB-70A #1 taking off on a research flight, escorted by a TB-58 chase plane. The TB-58 (a prototype B-58 modified as a trainer) had a dash speed of Mach 2. This allowed it to stay close to the XB-70 as it conducted its research maneuvers. When the XB-70 was flying at or near Mach 3, the slower TB-58 could often keep up with it by flying lower and cutting inside the turns in the XB-70's flight path when these occurred.


29 posted on 03/13/2008 6:31:14 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: strongbow

I Googled XB-70 Valkryie photos, and this photo was one of them.

The chase plane pictured is a TB-58A trainer. This is the B-58 Hustler bomber, a delta wing bomber that came out in the late fifties, and the chase plane is the trainer version.

The B-58 was a large plane, and the B-70 made it look like a fighter!


30 posted on 03/13/2008 6:31:23 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

You beat me by like nine seconds. Thanks for posting the photo with the caption. I’m not skilled in doing that.

I used to love the B-58 Hustler. One of my favorite models as a kid.


31 posted on 03/13/2008 6:32:58 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: taillightchaser
"How about [Americans] just nuke the camel jockeys and the chicoms and then [Americans] wouldn’t need them,"

Because that would be genocide and murder? And eventually another enemy would rise up anyway, and there would once again be a need for them.

(You probably weren't actually proposing a nuclear holocaust, but the comment was pretty stupid).

32 posted on 03/13/2008 6:34:14 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: strongbow

President Bush flew the F-102 Delta Dart in the TX ANG.

The chase plane appears to be a B-58 Hustler. the B-58 was used as chae for several of XB-70 flights IIRC

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


33 posted on 03/13/2008 6:34:54 PM PDT by alfa6
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To: exit82

If they also made it a space delivery vehicle and replacement for the shuttle, this would be a real hit.


34 posted on 03/13/2008 6:35:40 PM PDT by appeal2 (r)
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To: strongbow

No, Bush flew the 106 in an ADC unit.


35 posted on 03/13/2008 6:36:52 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: Renfield

I don’t understand the need for a heavy bomber. Instead of paying 5 to 10 times the price of an F-22, build the extra F-22s instead. You end up with more flexibility and more bomb load.


36 posted on 03/13/2008 6:37:10 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: strongbow

102, my bad.


37 posted on 03/13/2008 6:38:52 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: Nowhere Man
Bring back some B-52’s back from the Boneyard, that will do the trick.

That depends on what threat needs bombing. The B-52 is a great old bird, with emphasis on OLD. She's as big as a barn, literally, on radar.

Let's see, what RCS did I use for the BUFF...well I think Big as a Barn, is close enough. Something like 1,000 sq. meters.

38 posted on 03/13/2008 6:39:14 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: exit82

Which one was the widow-maker? I remember getting a copy of Jane’s Aircraft of the world in 1963 which showed the Valkyrie and the SR-71. I remember thinking how cool they were. Amazing how far ahead of the times those planes were. I grew up believing that we would be flying to London in 2 hours and make it to CA in just under two. Guess it is still ahead of its times.


39 posted on 03/13/2008 6:39:39 PM PDT by appeal2 (r)
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To: AFreeBird
Fixed it for ya (except your spelling).

My spelling has always been atrocious

40 posted on 03/13/2008 6:40:58 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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