Skip to comments.Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division (Obama was present at Wright's July 22, 2007 sermon)
Posted on 03/16/2008 9:52:01 AM PDT by rao2000
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The media was still telling us that Obama is the Second Coming...they wouldn't want to appear inconsistent would they?
Under his bizarre racial theories, I should be complaining that a black man made a better life for himself than I did, but of course I'm not. My lack of accomplishment is due to laziness and failure of vision, not any racial or social factors.
The key difference between Mr. Wright and me, other than his higher level of accomplishment, is that I take the blame for my own issues, not try to blame someone else, or society.
Why didn’t he leave the church when they gave Farrakahn that “lifetime achievement award”? Why was Barack Hussein Obama’s “renunciation” of it just as thin and laced with weasel words as his “renunciation” or Write (but only words that got him into trouble)?
What makes sense is that the church switched the schedule around so that Wright preached at 7:30 a.m. and then Wright and Obama flew to Miami together. Do you think Obama would have his august spiritual adviser with him for a major event like a major Democrat Debate?
I would LOVE to know how his meetings with Qaadaffy shaped his sermons? Oh, if only Wright saved copies of his sermons for posterity...
Anyone see Major Garrett’s interview with O (Friday, I think)? Major nailed him.
Where’s that old Romney gal photo?
Leave Obama alone!
What, attending a service and watching Osama nod his head in agreement with the ranting isn't evidence? The author is a WITNESS to Osama's presence. If witness testimony has been good enough for the court systems of numerous nations for thousands of years, it's evidence.
Bwahahahahaha! This is so turned inside-out, isn't it?
Apparently it is ok to Obama that they are said once but not repeated over and over.
GARRETT: So, quick yes or no. If had you heard them in person you would have quit?
OBAMA: If I had heard them repeated, I would have quit. I mean, obviously, understand that understand that, you know, this is somebody who is like an uncle to me. He's somebody who helped me find Christ. And somebody who always talked to me in very powerful ways about relationship to God and our obligations to the poor.
If somebody makes a mistake, then obviously, you recognize I make mistakes. We all make mistakes. If I thought that that was the repeated tenor of the church, then I wouldn't feel comfortable there.
But, frankly, that has not been my experience at Trinity United Church of Christ.
How many OTHER black racist churches are out there?
This is definitly NOT THE ONLY ONE.
I bet many black churches are now scrambling to sanitize their web feeds in order to protect their race based candidates.
THINK LOCAL ELECTIONS FOLKS...
You mean Moss’ style is more like that of Barack Obama. While listening to his remarks at Hampton University, he SOUNDED like he was just recounting history (the LA riots) but I understood his THEME to be a call for riots across the country.
“I couldn’t have been at that Klan rally! I was having brunch with the Nazis!”
It wouldn't be a big deal if Obama wasn't an America hating, crypto-communist mole.
That was the first time I’ve seen O squirm. And Major was the first journalist who held him accountable.
Commentators during the weekend news were quick to point out that these sentiments are common in black churches. Shades of the 1960’s.
That bears repeating. Often. Casts reasonable doubt on Obama's claims of innocence. I wondered the other day on another thread whether Obama would stoop to saying something like "whenever he said something I didn't agree with, I stuck my fingers in my ears and hummed REALLY LOUD".
Looks like that may be his only option soon, LOL.
We can be assured that, during the course of O’s 20 year membership, these tenets were preached often.
Obama is a clever politician.
I had been a member of a church in Georgia for 18 years before moving to Illinois, I was in complete agreement with my pastor and congregation, we were a bible preaching and very scriptural church. No politics and no hate mongering were ever preached. I would still be there if not for moving away from Georgia.
Obama is a wolf in sheep's' clothing and a shill for the Muslims and the racists of America. He is a pathological liar and hates America and all she stands for.. He wants change alright and if he wins this election, put on your seat belts because we will be in for the ride of our lives. No holding him back from changing all we stand for- life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!
Obama and his wife seem to hate America more than they hate being Black!
They should pull his SS protection.
I hope you didn’t send it to your librul friends, because the last laugh would be theirs.
(Live by Newsmax, die by Newsmax)
It's not so much they embrace it as white guilt and willful denial that any race other than whitey is capable of being racist.
While we are on the subject of Michelle Obama, I wonder where she has been during all this up roar? Nothing on the MSM about her. Is the Obama campaign keeping her in a closet until they think this has blown over? Afraid she will spew more venom on the wound?
How many LOCAL Republicans are running against a candidate with a racist black pastor in the background?
we need to be data mining folks.
I fear he is the beginning of the end of this country as we know it!
I pray MC Cain with all his faults can still save this country from destruction. I hope that all republicans can put down their differences with McCain and vote republican. Now is not the time to stand on a personal dogmatic idea. Now is the time to unite behind a man that we know is at least half right for our country instead of leaving it to be destroyed by the two who we know will sell us down the proverbial creek with no paddle whatsoever! All said IMHO.
But of course.
Just What Did Obama Know About Wright's Past Sermons? (Plenty)
Barack Obama either agreed with what was preached from the Trinity pulpit, or he tuned it out and stayed around pretending to for political reasons. To say he stayed for 20 years but doesn't agree with Wright's preaching is incredible denial. It'd be like a man buying White Sox season tickets for 20 years, attending the games, and saying he's not a fan.
Obamas supporters want us to ignore this story just push it under the rug. While theyll align Republicans with any obscure pastor who does or says something controversial, theyre trying to convince us that Obamas 20-year long close relationship with Wright, including his effective endorsement of him, his church and rhetoric with a $22,500 donation in 2006 is irrelevant.
When Obama decided against wearing an American flag pin, we may all have been a bit too quick to accept his rationale, too quick to find that issue unimportant. Now, that American flag pin has gotten a lot bigger for a lot of us, especially in light of what may have been and may still be Obamas deeper, and, perhaps, secret, less than patriotic beliefs about America.
Wright says that blacks cant be expected to sing God Bless America because of racism. Obama doesnt salute the flag during the National Anthem. That sure strikes me as an amazing coincidence since Obama swears he never heard Wright say anything against America.
Its not his fault anyhow; he's a victim of ________. You fill in the blank.
Even in the event Osama wasn't at THIS particular service there is no way he could be a 20 year companion to Wright and still NOT know or not follow the rhetoric (and continue going). Its not like its forced on him like ‘life-partnership’ class is on Kindergartners. And that is the important issue. If I burn a cross in a black family's lawn, do they care what my explanation is? Even if it was a Halloween prank...its a hate crime and that = longer prison time.
As for Hitlery, her supporters are probably behind the sudden ‘surge’ in coverage. Too bad they couldn't support any ‘surges’ to support the war. The Cinton closet has many scandals and dead lawyers that need to resurface as well. None of Kennedy's scandals that ever “floated” [they sure didn't swim] to the surface ever prevented him from office.
The only liberal scandals that ever make the ‘news’ and actually prevent liberals from office, are scandals that serve some other liberal purpose... no explanations needed, but if you insist ‘Press 1 for English’ para Espanol primo numero dous.”
WE [conservatives] bring everything on ourselves. Too many in this country are apologists that think it can all be explained away and apologized for. We didn't think a conservative could win, so we put forth our most liberal candidate John McCain; he's good at explaining.
You want to talk about true conservatism? Look at Reagan. People thought he was crazy when he said we could ‘WIN’ the Cold War. Where is our ‘win’ attitude? We apologized for it a long time ago. So we are stuck with socialists, racists, liars, and back stabbers - that open the borders to criminals and terrorists, raise taxes, provide handouts for everything. But, they can explain. I don't want to vote for an explanation... our rights and freedoms are unalienable, as is our security. I want to vote for a LEADER of the FREE WORLD. We aren't trying to win anything we are trying to appease by selecting the ‘electable’ candidate. And to top it off we fall lock step with the liberal machine. Either way the MSM is going to push out Hillary or Obama or worst case give them a joint ticket. We need stop underestimating our opponents and realize we have to deal with BOTH of them. And come the General everything coming out now will be “old news;” a GOP hatchet job, and vast White Right Wing Conspiracy. Anything coming out later, and closer to the General, will make us racists, feminists or both. So we have John McCain to help us prove appeasement works; just ask Austria, Hungary, Poland, France, and Italy. Every election conservatives throw in the towel and start talking about the ‘next’ election. How many thought the Honorable Mr Bush couldn't possibly win in ‘04?
We talk about unpatriotic? When did it become patriotic to concede a fight? When did we lose sight of ‘may the better man win?’ Now its may the ‘most “electable” man win.’ We complain our voice isn't heard. Well, we send mixed signals; we don't speak clearly. Just look at who we back. We couldn't support Huckabee because we didn't think he could win. So now we have McCain,which we don't know if he can win. So we failed to back a relatively conservative candidate; got stuck with a liberal candidate... I think they're hearing us loud and clear; just like the teacher from the Peanut Gallery. But at least we can still complain and have an interesting explanation. Or maybe I'm just crazy.
With all due respect, Newsmax isn't a well-known news source, like the Washington Post is, for example. I don't know if I would bother debunking Newsmax any more than I would some blog post from a guy who lives in his mom's basement.
No doubt that Newsmax messed it up here, badly. The author of the article has made stuff up.
If anyone hasn’t already PINGed you to post #45 on this thread, I’m doing so. Proper flag etiquette.
Jveritas, meet the author.
I'll let the two of you discuss...
Did anyone else notice the lack of eloquence by Obama when answering questions about his Pastor? I found it quite interesting that he hemmed and hawed and ummed a stumbled quite a bit w/o a prepared syntax predicated speach from which to speak.
Do you have proof of this? You're certainly very sure of yourself and your standing here, jveritas. I noticed you didn't ping the author, again, while accusing him of dishonesty. Terrible form.
“Made stuff up”? I’m not taking your bait and you should be ashamed of yourself.
The early serice starts at 7:15. It lasts about an hour. We have already established that Obama didn’t arrive at the La Raza conference until 1:50. (12:50 Chicago time.)
Newsmax has received an email from the Obama campaign that confirms he flew out of Chicago at 8:50. That leaves four hours for a three-hour flight, plus a drive from the Miami airport to La Raza. (Dick Daley is nice and accommodating for prominent Democratic politicians like Obama.)
It’s easy to get from Trinity United to Midway Airport in 25 minutes with a police escort, and cops blocking cross traffic at every stop light to wave you through. Same thing is true at the other end, in Miami.
I’m pretty sure that the Trinity United website has the morning and evening sermons switched around.
You’re calling me a liar. But tell me, have you made up your mind to support Obama come hell or high water, because you hate Hillary and you think McCain isn’t comservative enough?
The fact that the Obama campaign didn’t immediately ask for a retraction of the August story is a little unusual, don’t ou agree?
They sure moved quickly to try to debunk it today, though, didn't they.
Another accusation with no ping to the accused. Are you this gutless, or is common courtesy just a foreign concept to you?
Philo1962 e-mailed me about this. I can confirm a lot of what he’s been saying. There’s a small group of Chicago chapter Freepers who have been monitoring Trinity United broadcasts ever since Obama was nominated. Philo1962 has been doing it a lot longer, going back to 2004.
I told him directly in another post that he is making stuff up.
Rather thant nit-picking each other’s analysis here, some of which are more accurate than others, we need to focus on Obama.
This is an excellent opportunity to educate people to how Obama evades the question and does not answer it. Whether the question is in the Tribune or SunTimes editorial room, or on MSNBC or CNN, or anywhere, Obama changes the subject and answers a question that was not asked.
This needs to be compared directly to one of the first liars who also committed genocide of 25% of the earth’s population. When God asked Cain “Where is your brother”, the genocidal Cain replied “Am I my brother’s keeper?”
From the phrase of a lying murderer the left concludes that “I am my brother’s keeper.”
Correction: We’ve been monitoring the broadcasts ever since he announced he’s running for president (13 months ago).
That’s your reason for smearing FReepers as liars with no basis? To protect a candidate you believe John McCain can beat more easily? And this seems like reasonable behavior to you?
The more I see of McCain’s supporters, the stronger my resolve to not vote for him becomes. The man’s best friends are his worst enemies.
And I can tell you, for a fact, that Philo1962 is not making stuff up. I was watching the broadcast that morning, 7:15 to 8:15, and it was Wright not the other minister. Now you’re calling two Freepers liars and we’ve both been here since before Bush was sworn in. How about you?
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