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Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division (Obama was present at Wright's July 22, 2007 sermon)
Newsmax ^ | Aug. 9, 2007 | OBAMA'S MAMA

Posted on 03/16/2008 9:52:01 AM PDT by rao2000

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To: SaveTheChief
"I find it odd that this article was published on August 9, 2007. Why was this not a big issue then?"

The media was still telling us that Obama is the Second Coming...they wouldn't want to appear inconsistent would they?

351 posted on 03/17/2008 6:52:58 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2
The bizarre thing is that Jeremiah Wright, the man who complains about what a lousy, terrible place America is has a MUCH better education than I, and has accomplished much more with his life than I ever did or ever will, including being close to a powerful politician. It almost makes me feel like slapping this fool.

Under his bizarre racial theories, I should be complaining that a black man made a better life for himself than I did, but of course I'm not. My lack of accomplishment is due to laziness and failure of vision, not any racial or social factors.

The key difference between Mr. Wright and me, other than his higher level of accomplishment, is that I take the blame for my own issues, not try to blame someone else, or society.

352 posted on 03/17/2008 6:55:59 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: tomnbeverly

Why didn’t he leave the church when they gave Farrakahn that “lifetime achievement award”? Why was Barack Hussein Obama’s “renunciation” of it just as thin and laced with weasel words as his “renunciation” or Write (but only words that got him into trouble)?


353 posted on 03/17/2008 6:59:57 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: Philo1962; jveritas
A fact that every body seems to be missing is that the Democrat debate was held Monday night, July 23, 2007 in Miami. I do not think Obama would give a speech at 1:30 p.m. then fly back to attend a 6:00 p.m. sermon given by Wright at his church then fly back to Miami for the debate.

What makes sense is that the church switched the schedule around so that Wright preached at 7:30 a.m. and then Wright and Obama flew to Miami together. Do you think Obama would have his august spiritual adviser with him for a major event like a major Democrat Debate?

354 posted on 03/17/2008 7:02:36 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Philo1962
"This guy traveled to Libya to visit with Muammar Khadaffy with Louis Farrakhan. They did it four years after Libyan fighter jets opened fire on American aircraft over international waters, and three years before Libyan-backed terrorists blew up Pan Am Flight 103 with Americans on board over Lockerbie, Scotland. Make no mistake, it was at a time when Khadaffy was an enemy of the United States and a sponsor of international terrorist groups who murdered American civilians"

I would LOVE to know how his meetings with Qaadaffy shaped his sermons? Oh, if only Wright saved copies of his sermons for posterity...

355 posted on 03/17/2008 7:06:07 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: rao2000
Obama is now changing what he meant. He claims he meant “repetitive” statements in which he was in attendance.
356 posted on 03/17/2008 7:06:52 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: tobyhill

Anyone see Major Garrett’s interview with O (Friday, I think)? Major nailed him.


357 posted on 03/17/2008 7:09:15 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: rao2000

Where’s that old Romney gal photo?
Leave Obama alone!


358 posted on 03/17/2008 7:10:06 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Are you sick of hearing at-the-end-of-the-day?)
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To: sarasota
I just heard him. Obama is parsing words because he knows he was there and is about to get slammed.
359 posted on 03/17/2008 7:11:54 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Vision
"They seem to make the claim without evidence"

What, attending a service and watching Osama nod his head in agreement with the ranting isn't evidence? The author is a WITNESS to Osama's presence. If witness testimony has been good enough for the court systems of numerous nations for thousands of years, it's evidence.

360 posted on 03/17/2008 7:16:17 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
"He couldn't have been with the militant black separatist that morning, because he was spending the afternoon with militant Mexican separatists!"

Bwahahahahaha! This is so turned inside-out, isn't it?

361 posted on 03/17/2008 7:18:26 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: tobyhill
In the interview he gave Major Garrett on Fox Obama said that exactly.

Apparently it is ok to Obama that they are said once but not repeated over and over.

GARRETT: So, quick yes or no. If had you heard them in person you would have quit?

OBAMA: If I had heard them repeated, I would have quit. I mean, obviously, understand that — understand that, you know, this is somebody who is like an uncle to me. He's somebody who helped me find Christ. And somebody who always talked to me in very powerful ways about relationship to God and our obligations to the poor.

If somebody makes a mistake, then obviously, you recognize — I make mistakes. We all make mistakes. If I thought that that was the repeated tenor of the church, then I wouldn't feel comfortable there.

But, frankly, that has not been my experience at Trinity United Church of Christ.

362 posted on 03/17/2008 7:20:21 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232
A fact that every body seems to be missing is that the Democrat debate was held Monday night, July 23, 2007 in Miami. I do not think Obama would give a speech at 1:30 p.m. then fly back to attend a 6:00 p.m. sermon given by Wright at his church then fly back to Miami for the debate.

What makes sense is that the church switched the schedule around so that Wright preached at 7:30 a.m. and then Wright and Obama flew to Miami together. Do you think Obama would have his august spiritual adviser with him for a major event like a major Democrat Debate?


That is one possible scenario. In my post 348, I found a link that says he gave his La Raza speech at 1:50 pm on July 22. Aren't there three sermons: 7:30, 11, and 6 pm? The 7:30 am sermon would be no problem. The 11 am sermon would be a tighter schedule. I agree that is doubtful he flew back for the 6 pm service.
363 posted on 03/17/2008 7:20:30 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Red_Devil 232
He only said the N word every other Sunday so it doesn't count according to Obama.
364 posted on 03/17/2008 7:23:24 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: All

How many OTHER black racist churches are out there?

This is definitly NOT THE ONLY ONE.

I bet many black churches are now scrambling to sanitize their web feeds in order to protect their race based candidates.

THINK LOCAL ELECTIONS FOLKS...


365 posted on 03/17/2008 7:24:20 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Philo1962

You mean Moss’ style is more like that of Barack Obama. While listening to his remarks at Hampton University, he SOUNDED like he was just recounting history (the LA riots) but I understood his THEME to be a call for riots across the country.


366 posted on 03/17/2008 7:24:35 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: cgk

“I couldn’t have been at that Klan rally! I was having brunch with the Nazis!”


367 posted on 03/17/2008 7:25:07 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: InterceptPoint
..I don't place my hand over my heart for the Star Spangled Banner. But I do for the Pledge of Allegiance. I think that is pretty much the norm. Since this was the during the singing of the Star Spangled Banner I don't see why it is such a big deal.

It wouldn't be a big deal if Obama wasn't an America hating, crypto-communist mole.

368 posted on 03/17/2008 7:27:55 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: tobyhill

That was the first time I’ve seen O squirm. And Major was the first journalist who held him accountable.


369 posted on 03/17/2008 7:47:13 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: longtermmemmory

Commentators during the weekend news were quick to point out that these sentiments are common in black churches. Shades of the 1960’s.


370 posted on 03/17/2008 7:49:11 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Philo1962
"Since he announced his candidacy for the presidency, he's only been there about 50% of the time -- but strangely, whenever he isn't there, Dr. Wright isn't there either."

That bears repeating. Often. Casts reasonable doubt on Obama's claims of innocence. I wondered the other day on another thread whether Obama would stoop to saying something like "whenever he said something I didn't agree with, I stuck my fingers in my ears and hummed REALLY LOUD".

Looks like that may be his only option soon, LOL.

371 posted on 03/17/2008 7:52:28 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: cake_crumb

We can be assured that, during the course of O’s 20 year membership, these tenets were preached often.


372 posted on 03/17/2008 7:57:46 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: rao2000
"If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me," Wright told The New York Times with a shrug. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said 'yeah, that might have to happen.'"

Obama is a clever politician.

373 posted on 03/17/2008 7:58:21 AM PDT by GVnana ("They're still analyzing the first guy. What do I have to worry about?" - GWB)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Obama has been a member of this cult church for some 20 years. When a person is a member of such a church for such a long period of time and claims a soul connection with it's pastor wouldn't that person be in complete agreement with the sentiments of that church? When you nod in agreement from the pew about what the preacher is preaching well, that in itself pretty much sums it up!

I had been a member of a church in Georgia for 18 years before moving to Illinois, I was in complete agreement with my pastor and congregation, we were a bible preaching and very scriptural church. No politics and no hate mongering were ever preached. I would still be there if not for moving away from Georgia.

Obama is a wolf in sheep's' clothing and a shill for the Muslims and the racists of America. He is a pathological liar and hates America and all she stands for.. He wants change alright and if he wins this election, put on your seat belts because we will be in for the ride of our lives. No holding him back from changing all we stand for- life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!

Obama and his wife seem to hate America more than they hate being Black!

374 posted on 03/17/2008 7:59:19 AM PDT by oswegodeee (Dee ( Born and raised in the south, yummy corn bread and BBQ ))
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To: rao2000

They should pull his SS protection.


375 posted on 03/17/2008 8:11:15 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: mountn man

Premature jocularity.
I hope you didn’t send it to your librul friends, because the last laugh would be theirs.
(Live by Newsmax, die by Newsmax)


376 posted on 03/17/2008 8:12:47 AM PDT by soupcon
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To: stockstrader
"Democrats/liberals and the MSM embrace black racism--so they had no major problem with what the Pastor said. To democrats,,,it just is NOT a big deal!!!"

It's not so much they embrace it as white guilt and willful denial that any race other than whitey is capable of being racist.

377 posted on 03/17/2008 8:15:17 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: oswegodeee
I fear his wife more than him. I think she is the driving force behind him.

While we are on the subject of Michelle Obama, I wonder where she has been during all this up roar? Nothing on the MSM about her. Is the Obama campaign keeping her in a closet until they think this has blown over? Afraid she will spew more venom on the wound?

378 posted on 03/17/2008 8:17:00 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: oswegodeee; All

How many LOCAL Republicans are running against a candidate with a racist black pastor in the background?

we need to be data mining folks.


379 posted on 03/17/2008 8:17:17 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Yes, I think they are keeping her in Low Profile for a while Keeping her Mocking Bird mouth out of the news so her pathological lying husband can go about his campaigned unencumbered by her vitriol toward our beautiful country.

I fear he is the beginning of the end of this country as we know it!

I pray MC Cain with all his faults can still save this country from destruction. I hope that all republicans can put down their differences with McCain and vote republican. Now is not the time to stand on a personal dogmatic idea. Now is the time to unite behind a man that we know is at least half right for our country instead of leaving it to be destroyed by the two who we know will sell us down the proverbial creek with no paddle whatsoever! All said IMHO.

380 posted on 03/17/2008 8:41:12 AM PDT by oswegodeee (Dee ( Born and raised in the south, yummy corn bread and BBQ ))
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To: sarasota
"We can be assured that, during the course of O’s 20 year membership, these tenets were preached often."

But of course.

381 posted on 03/17/2008 8:43:23 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: rao2000
Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division (Obama was present at Wright's July 22, 2007 sermon)

Just What Did Obama Know About Wright's Past Sermons? (Plenty)

“Barack Obama either agreed with what was preached from the Trinity pulpit, or he tuned it out and stayed around pretending to for political reasons. To say he stayed for 20 years but doesn't agree with Wright's preaching is incredible denial. It'd be like a man buying White Sox season tickets for 20 years, attending the games, and saying he's not a fan.”

Obama’s supporters want us to ignore this story… just push it under the rug. While they’ll align Republicans with any obscure pastor who does or says something controversial, they’re trying to convince us that Obama’s 20-year long close relationship with Wright, including his effective endorsement of him, his church and rhetoric with a $22,500 donation in 2006 is irrelevant.

“When Obama decided against wearing an American flag pin, we may all have been a bit too quick to accept his rationale, too quick to find that issue unimportant. Now, that American flag pin has gotten a lot bigger for a lot of us, especially in light of what may have been and may still be Obama’s deeper, and, perhaps, secret, less than patriotic beliefs about America.”

“Wright says that blacks can’t be expected to sing God Bless America because of racism. Obama doesn’t salute the flag during the National Anthem. That sure strikes me as an amazing coincidence since Obama swears he never heard Wright say anything against America.”


382 posted on 03/17/2008 9:47:51 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Hussein ObamaSamma's Pastor, Jeremiah Wright: "God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11")
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To: sirchtruth; All
Why does Obama need to EXPLAIN himself? I'd rather he kept his big mouth shut, covered his face with his ears, and just went away. How much explaining was Mr Lott allowed to do? What good did it do? Look at the political fallout from Mr. Gingrich's MOTHER telling Connie Chung Hillary was a b!tch. Where was that saving grace explanation? Why even humor Obama and hear his explanation? Do we OWE it to him? I think even Jesus would say “That's mighty white of you.”

Its not his fault anyhow; he's a victim of ________. You fill in the blank.

Even in the event Osama wasn't at THIS particular service there is no way he could be a 20 year companion to Wright and still NOT know or not follow the rhetoric (and continue going). Its not like its forced on him like ‘life-partnership’ class is on Kindergartners. And that is the important issue. If I burn a cross in a black family's lawn, do they care what my explanation is? Even if it was a Halloween prank...its a hate crime and that = longer prison time.

As for Hitlery, her supporters are probably behind the sudden ‘surge’ in coverage. Too bad they couldn't support any ‘surges’ to support the war. The Cinton closet has many scandals and dead lawyers that need to resurface as well. None of Kennedy's scandals that ever “floated” [they sure didn't swim] to the surface ever prevented him from office.

The only liberal scandals that ever make the ‘news’ and actually prevent liberals from office, are scandals that serve some other liberal purpose... no explanations needed, but if you insist ‘Press 1 for English’ para Espanol primo numero dous.”

WE [conservatives] bring everything on ourselves. Too many in this country are apologists that think it can all be explained away and apologized for. We didn't think a conservative could win, so we put forth our most liberal candidate John McCain; he's good at explaining.

You want to talk about true conservatism? Look at Reagan. People thought he was crazy when he said we could ‘WIN’ the Cold War. Where is our ‘win’ attitude? We apologized for it a long time ago. So we are stuck with socialists, racists, liars, and back stabbers - that open the borders to criminals and terrorists, raise taxes, provide handouts for everything. But, they can explain. I don't want to vote for an explanation... our rights and freedoms are unalienable, as is our security. I want to vote for a LEADER of the FREE WORLD. We aren't trying to win anything we are trying to appease by selecting the ‘electable’ candidate. And to top it off we fall lock step with the liberal machine. Either way the MSM is going to push out Hillary or Obama or worst case give them a joint ticket. We need stop underestimating our opponents and realize we have to deal with BOTH of them. And come the General everything coming out now will be “old news;” a GOP hatchet job, and vast White Right Wing Conspiracy. Anything coming out later, and closer to the General, will make us racists, feminists or both. So we have John McCain to help us prove appeasement works; just ask Austria, Hungary, Poland, France, and Italy. Every election conservatives throw in the towel and start talking about the ‘next’ election. How many thought the Honorable Mr Bush couldn't possibly win in ‘04?

We talk about unpatriotic? When did it become patriotic to concede a fight? When did we lose sight of ‘may the better man win?’ Now its may the ‘most “electable” man win.’ We complain our voice isn't heard. Well, we send mixed signals; we don't speak clearly. Just look at who we back. We couldn't support Huckabee because we didn't think he could win. So now we have McCain,which we don't know if he can win. So we failed to back a relatively conservative candidate; got stuck with a liberal candidate... I think they're hearing us loud and clear; just like the teacher from the Peanut Gallery. But at least we can still complain and have an interesting explanation. Or maybe I'm just crazy.

383 posted on 03/17/2008 9:56:07 AM PDT by Operation_Shock_N_Awe (If a liberal tells a lie and a conservative didn't witness the original event is it still a lie?)
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To: Philo1962; cgk; jveritas
If Obama wasn't there, they should have spoken up right away -- immediately after the article was published.

With all due respect, Newsmax isn't a well-known news source, like the Washington Post is, for example. I don't know if I would bother debunking Newsmax any more than I would some blog post from a guy who lives in his mom's basement.

384 posted on 03/17/2008 9:58:44 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

No doubt that Newsmax messed it up here, badly. The author of the article has made stuff up.


385 posted on 03/17/2008 10:02:42 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: InterceptPoint

If anyone hasn’t already PINGed you to post #45 on this thread, I’m doing so. Proper flag etiquette.


386 posted on 03/17/2008 10:51:34 AM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: jveritas; Philo1962
The author of the article has made stuff up.

Jveritas, meet the author.

I'll let the two of you discuss...

387 posted on 03/17/2008 10:56:05 AM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: rao2000

Did anyone else notice the lack of eloquence by Obama when answering questions about his Pastor? I found it quite interesting that he hemmed and hawed and ummed a stumbled quite a bit w/o a prepared syntax predicated speach from which to speak.


388 posted on 03/17/2008 11:04:20 AM PDT by sappy
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To: jveritas; Philo1962; Lead Moderator
No doubt that Newsmax messed it up here, badly. The author of the article has made stuff up.

Do you have proof of this? You're certainly very sure of yourself and your standing here, jveritas. I noticed you didn't ping the author, again, while accusing him of dishonesty. Terrible form.

389 posted on 03/17/2008 11:18:49 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: jveritas

“Made stuff up”? I’m not taking your bait and you should be ashamed of yourself.

The early serice starts at 7:15. It lasts about an hour. We have already established that Obama didn’t arrive at the La Raza conference until 1:50. (12:50 Chicago time.)

Newsmax has received an email from the Obama campaign that confirms he flew out of Chicago at 8:50. That leaves four hours for a three-hour flight, plus a drive from the Miami airport to La Raza. (Dick Daley is nice and accommodating for prominent Democratic politicians like Obama.)

It’s easy to get from Trinity United to Midway Airport in 25 minutes with a police escort, and cops blocking cross traffic at every stop light to wave you through. Same thing is true at the other end, in Miami.

I’m pretty sure that the Trinity United website has the morning and evening sermons switched around.

You’re calling me a liar. But tell me, have you made up your mind to support Obama come hell or high water, because you hate Hillary and you think McCain isn’t comservative enough?

The fact that the Obama campaign didn’t immediately ask for a retraction of the August story is a little unusual, don’t ou agree?


390 posted on 03/17/2008 11:19:55 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan; Philo1962
What is your relation to the poster who claims to be the author of the story on Newsmax, (see: HERE), if I may ask?
391 posted on 03/17/2008 11:31:15 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
I don't know if I would bother debunking Newsmax any more than I would some blog post from a guy who lives in his mom's basement.

They sure moved quickly to try to debunk it today, though, didn't they.

392 posted on 03/17/2008 11:35:06 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: jveritas
The author of the article has made stuff up.

Another accusation with no ping to the accused. Are you this gutless, or is common courtesy just a foreign concept to you?

393 posted on 03/17/2008 11:36:54 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Bryan
I stand by my comments. I want Obama as the democrat nominee because McCain will bedestroy him in the general elections. I want McCain to win, he will have much tougher time against Hillary Clinton if she is the democrat nominee.
394 posted on 03/17/2008 11:38:20 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: cgk

Philo1962 e-mailed me about this. I can confirm a lot of what he’s been saying. There’s a small group of Chicago chapter Freepers who have been monitoring Trinity United broadcasts ever since Obama was nominated. Philo1962 has been doing it a lot longer, going back to 2004.


395 posted on 03/17/2008 11:38:33 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Philo1962

I told him directly in another post that he is making stuff up.


396 posted on 03/17/2008 11:39:54 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Bryan

Rather thant nit-picking each other’s analysis here, some of which are more accurate than others, we need to focus on Obama.

This is an excellent opportunity to educate people to how Obama evades the question and does not answer it. Whether the question is in the Tribune or SunTimes editorial room, or on MSNBC or CNN, or anywhere, Obama changes the subject and answers a question that was not asked.

This needs to be compared directly to one of the first liars who also committed genocide of 25% of the earth’s population. When God asked Cain “Where is your brother”, the genocidal Cain replied “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

From the phrase of a lying murderer the left concludes that “I am my brother’s keeper.”


397 posted on 03/17/2008 11:41:35 AM PDT by spintreebob (.)
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To: Bryan

Correction: We’ve been monitoring the broadcasts ever since he announced he’s running for president (13 months ago).


398 posted on 03/17/2008 11:41:39 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: jveritas

That’s your reason for smearing FReepers as liars with no basis? To protect a candidate you believe John McCain can beat more easily? And this seems like reasonable behavior to you?

The more I see of McCain’s supporters, the stronger my resolve to not vote for him becomes. The man’s best friends are his worst enemies.


399 posted on 03/17/2008 11:45:51 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: jveritas

And I can tell you, for a fact, that Philo1962 is not making stuff up. I was watching the broadcast that morning, 7:15 to 8:15, and it was Wright not the other minister. Now you’re calling two Freepers liars and we’ve both been here since before Bush was sworn in. How about you?


400 posted on 03/17/2008 11:48:49 AM PDT by Bryan
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