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1 posted on 03/16/2008 10:24:41 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks

The feds? I thought it was the media. Letterman, for example.


2 posted on 03/16/2008 10:25:51 AM PDT by Brilliant
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It is deeply scary to me that a few employees of the federal executive branch can start a train rolling that has such immense effects on the electoral process.

I think Spitzer started the train rolling, Ben.

3 posted on 03/16/2008 10:27:23 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Actually. The power of a few in the federal government scares me. Ben is not being a loony here. Not that I am crying over Eliot Spitzer Swallows.


4 posted on 03/16/2008 10:28:04 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("...millions hate what they mistakenly think that the Catholic Church is." ~ Archbishop Fulton Sheen)
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Ben Stein is one of the good guys, but I’m baffled by his take on this.


5 posted on 03/16/2008 10:28:23 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( Terrorism is a symptom, ISLAM IS THE DISEASE!)
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Governor Spitzer was elected by an immense majority in the third most populous state.

I wonder when it will fall to fourth place behind Florida?

6 posted on 03/16/2008 10:28:43 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

7 posted on 03/16/2008 10:28:52 AM PDT by sono (The Future Ain't What It Used To Be - Yogi Berra)
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Men hire prostitutes, but do the same men who hire prostitutes also bust prostitution rings with great fanfare and, in Spitzer's case, sanctimony?

Spitzer also hounded businessmen for doing the normal transactions of business. Including philanthropists such as that fellow from AIG insurance (who is now civilly suing Spitzer).

Ben Stein is an example of how Hollywood can corrupt a person. Look at how Ahnold governs California.

8 posted on 03/16/2008 10:29:34 AM PDT by Stepan12 ( "We are all girlymen now." Conservative reaction to Ann Coulter's anti PC joke)
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"The punishment for the men who hire hookers is usually nil, or at most a small fine close to what you'd get for a traffic ticket."

And IF Spitzer is ever charged, you can reassure him with that fact.

10 posted on 03/16/2008 10:31:13 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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When you are going to destroy reputations and make enemies out of very powerful people as Spitzer had done, you’d better have a clean nose.


13 posted on 03/16/2008 10:31:45 AM PDT by Drew68
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There is only one explanation for a nonsensical article like this.

Stein enjoyed/enjoys the company of prostitutes.

14 posted on 03/16/2008 10:32:10 AM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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I’ve got to go with Ben on this one. What two consenting adults do sexually in private is nobody else’s business.


15 posted on 03/16/2008 10:32:42 AM PDT by JoeGar
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Ben, Ben, Ben, don't you see the crime(s) beyond just a call girl? Good grief, he persecuted many without much evidence and perhaps no evidence. No, his crimes and misdemeanors must not be tolerated, he held such powerful positions and was willing to damage and destroy others with what he thought was impunity.

The idea here is not to destroy him but to bring him to justice, which is just a shadow of true justice, but justice must be served regardless or else let's just forget the whole concept about being "a nation of laws" and let each operate according to his own mind.

Come on Ben, wake up, don't go brain dead on us.

17 posted on 03/16/2008 10:34:11 AM PDT by brushcop (B-Co. 2/69 3rd Infantry Div., "Sledgehammer!" ...and keep hammering 'em!)
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What a stupid article. It was the banks that reported to the IRS that something was suspect, not a fishing expedition. Somehow I don’t recall all this hand wringing when Republicans get busted.


18 posted on 03/16/2008 10:34:20 AM PDT by Thudd ("It worked fine in the store")
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Wonder what Stein had to say, if anything, about the following.

Tough Words Come Back to Haunt Spitzer

Defense Lawyers Call N.Y. Gov and Former Attorney General a Hypocrite

By SCOTT MICHELS

March 10, 2008—

In 2004, then-New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer announced criminal charges against 16 alleged members of a profitable prostitution ring based in Staten Island.

"This was a sophisticated and lucrative operation with a multi-tiered management structure," Spitzer said at the time. "It was, however, nothing more than a prostitution ring, and now its owners and operators will be held accountable."

It was one of the many cases brought by Spitzer's office that helped develop his reputation as a tough-on-crime moral crusader, and one of at least two prostitution cases he oversaw.

But, Spitzer himself is now the target of an investigation linking him to an upscale prostitution ring, ABC News has confirmed. Spitzer issued a general apology Monday at a news conference in Manhattan but would not respond to allegations of his involvement in the ring. He also declined to say whether he would resign.

"I have acted in a way that violates my obligation to my family and violates my, or any, sense of right or wrong," he said.

Vincent Romano, the attorney for Frank Farella, who was sentenced to prison in the Staten Island prostitution ring case, said of Spitzer, "If it is true, it's hypocritical and he should be treated in the same overzealous, mean-spirited way he treated other similarly situated people."

As Attorney General, Spitzer was known for his ambition, his confrontational style and willingness to take on everyone from gun manufacturers to mortgage lenders. Time Magazine called him a "tireless crusader." Others dubbed him the "sheriff" of Wall Street. That reputation helped him easily win election as New York's governor.

"Some public officials may not want to face stricter ethics rules and more competitive elections," he said at his inauguration. "But all citizens will win when we finally get a government that puts the people's interests, openness and integrity first."

During his time as attorney general, Spitzer brought major cases against some of the country's largest corporate giants. He also brought at least two cases against alleged prostitution rings and, as governor, signed legislation to increase penalties for international sex trafficking.

In 2003, his office filed a civil suit, and later brought criminal charges against a travel agency that prosecutors said offered tours for men seeking sex with prostitutes abroad.

The agency "promotes prostitution and the abuse of young women," Spitzer said then.

The criminal case is still pending in the state's court of appeals, said Daniel Hochheiser, a lawyer for one of the defendants, Norman Barabash.

"I hope that the authorities extend a degree of mercy to the governor, which his former office never extended to my client, for an allegation involving prostitution activity, which the attorney general's office initiated and pursued with such righteousness over the past more than five years," Hochheiser said.

Spitzer also investigated large corporate entities, including Merrill Lynch, dozens of mutual fund companies, insurance behemoth American International Group (AIG), and all three of the country's largest insurance brokers.

In 2002, he settled a major case against some of the top Wall Street banks and brokers for alleged stock research abuses. He has also pursued the music industry and sued coal companies for allegedly causing acid rain in New York.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4424586&page=1

19 posted on 03/16/2008 10:35:19 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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Alan Dershowitz makes essentially the same argument, focusing more on privacy rights. I think there is some merit to this line of reasoning, as evidence of voluntary consensual behavior, no matter how distasteful, ought not be used to justify government intrusions upon personal liberty.

However, both Stein and Dershowitz miss the true cause of Spitzer's downfall: his hubris and hypocrisy. The man made a career out of crusading in the guise of a white knight, slaying the dragons of Corruption - even while darkly threatening all who opposed him. He fell from grace not because of what he did - but because he would have gleefully destroyed anyone else who crossed the path of his ambitions for doing precisely the same thing.

20 posted on 03/16/2008 10:35:44 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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I think NY polls were saying the voters wanted him out. Doesn’t that count, Ben?


21 posted on 03/16/2008 10:35:49 AM PDT by nuconvert (There are bad people in the pistachio business.)
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Think a little bit about what Ben is saying. We know he’s not really looney.

Imagine Hillary in office. Imagine she has reappointed all those state Attorney Generals and imagine she, once again, has lots of FBI files and tax returns on politicians duly elected.

Now what kind of power does a party have in picking off elected officials in a witch hunt.

I think Ben is talking about checks and balances and a slippery slope of unintended consequences. We have to be very careful that abuse cannot occur, that’s all.


22 posted on 03/16/2008 10:35:55 AM PDT by turbocat
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Kicked out of office? I seem to remember, just last week, a resignation speech.


24 posted on 03/16/2008 10:37:44 AM PDT by ducdriver ("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
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I guess Ben missed school the day they covered constitutionaly specified lines of succession.


25 posted on 03/16/2008 10:37:44 AM PDT by purpleraine
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While I can see Mr. Stein’s worry over “political prosecutions”, I think he’s forgetting those done by the media all the time.

As well as the pressure the average citizen gets everyday from petty bureaucrats.


26 posted on 03/16/2008 10:37:56 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Thank God for every morning.)
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