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Toyota Prius proves a gas guzzler in a race with the BMW 520d
TimesOnline ^ | 3/16/08

Posted on 03/18/2008 7:59:57 AM PDT by ZGuy

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To: ZGuy

In U.S. units, this is 41.88 mpg for the BMW and 40.05 mpg for the Prius.


41 posted on 03/18/2008 8:38:20 AM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: gracesdad

Whats the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?


42 posted on 03/18/2008 8:41:12 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: ZGuy
Imagine that.

BMW driven more-or-less normally, beats a Pious driven incredibly carefully with an eye on saving gas.

Wonder how all of the Hybrid owners will rationalize this away.

43 posted on 03/18/2008 8:41:15 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Vince Ferrer
BMW has done some work on steam powered hybrids as well

Can you provide a link with some more info? Thanks

44 posted on 03/18/2008 8:41:35 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: gracesdad

that is exactly why I said “pompous” hybrid owners. Those hybrid owners who simply like it..but don’t try to rub their “superiority” in folk’s faces are not pompous...


45 posted on 03/18/2008 8:43:10 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: TheBattman
But the Europeans have been been burning ultra-low sulfur diesel for years

Not to the new US standard. They were 50 ppm, we are now less than a 1/3 of that at 15 ppm. Quite a significant jump.

46 posted on 03/18/2008 8:43:33 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: B Knotts
In U.S. units, this is 41.88 mpg for the BMW and 40.05 mpg for the Prius.

And my two year old Corolla gets 35mpg (mixed conditions), and I'm not particularly careful about fuel efficient driving.

47 posted on 03/18/2008 8:43:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Red Badger; ZGuy
WTF are OUR Diesels? Blame it on GW. There is, believe it or not, still some variation between state emission requirements, with some state vehemently opposed to Diesels because of outright ignorance over the latest tech available in Europe and Japan.

The EU very cleverly made its gasoline-powered vehicle emission standards identical to those of California, but the Diesel thing is a hodge-podge. To me it is unconscionable that different states have different standards. Why have an EPA or a DOT if I can't buy what I want in any state? One other thing this article inadvertently points out: the shocking (shocking, I tell you) demand for off-the line acceleration that is corrupting our fleet economy averages. In the olden days, 0-60 in 10 seconds was considered the Gold Standard of acceleration. Now every dumb little KIA/Civic/Corolla can beat that.

The author clearly thinks 8secs to 60 is an eternity! My question: "WHY?" If every American car where to have a lower ratio rear,(say 2.7-1, with a higher ratio overdrive top, say .6-1, we would suddenly have much better highway mileage, even if more leisurely acceleration.

Why this acceleration mania? Some of the greatest sports cars of the 1960s took a whole 12 seconds to hit 60 ... nothing wrong with that!

48 posted on 03/18/2008 8:43:53 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Nobama08. Get me a general for President and Steele or Blackwell for VP.)
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To: ZGuy

I got 43.1 mpg in my Honda Fit last week. Not hybrid.


49 posted on 03/18/2008 8:45:24 AM PDT by Intimidator (Its not unilateral,just try saying you're a Progressive Dem in your typical Evangelical chur)
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To: dashing doofus

“Whats the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?”

With the porcupine, the pricks are on the outside?


50 posted on 03/18/2008 8:46:02 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: HamiltonJay

Recall the Honda Civic HF? It got over 50 mpg years ago.


51 posted on 03/18/2008 8:48:05 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: gracesdad

Bingo. (I happen to have an older beemer, so I get to crack that joke without being “insensitive”.)


52 posted on 03/18/2008 8:48:34 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: thackney
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53 posted on 03/18/2008 8:49:00 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: TheBattman

Further information on Europes Low Sulfur Diesel requirements. The 50 ppm only became the requirement in 2005. In 2000 they had lowered the limit to 350 ppm. Prior to that in 1996 they had lowered the limit to 500 ppm. The same level the US has been at.

so Europe is fairly new to the ULSD game as well.

In 2009 they are going to become even more strict than use lowering to 10 ppm.

Fuel Regulations, European Union
http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/eu/fuel.php


54 posted on 03/18/2008 8:51:32 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ArrogantBustard

The guy in the BMW doesn’t seem to have tried all that hard to save fuel (he was, after all, going nearly 80 mph). The guy in the Prius was doing some fuel-saving tricks.

But, yeah, any car can be relatively fuel-efficient by reducing weight, having a smaller engine, and good aerodynamics.

The BMW 5-Series, though, is a bigger car than a Corolla (or Prius). The 320d is more of a fair comparison, and it gets 44-45 mpg (U.S. gallons).

Wish we could buy these here.


55 posted on 03/18/2008 8:51:37 AM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: ZGuy

Toyota Yaris HB...1.5L 5-speed...rated at 36mg hwy.

Folks at Yarisworld.com are reporting mpg ratings of 40-45.

$11,350 base price...cheapest, except for smartcar & uses 87 octane.
A straight gas motor, not hybrid.
Does not feel like a small car, handles well and has lots of room.
They seem to be flying off the lots.
Every dealership we’ve been to kept the cars way in the very back of the back lot. Not one had one up front.

Set to pick up mine on Thursday...fingers crossed.
14k out the door, with power windows, locks & mirrors, rear defrog, frog lamps, keyless entry.

Beats the 15mpg that my quadcab hemi is getting and should be excellent as a commuter car.


56 posted on 03/18/2008 8:51:39 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: B Knotts
In U.S. units, this is 41.88 mpg for the BMW and 40.05 mpg for the Prius.

Huh? The units in the story are mpg. What did I miss?

57 posted on 03/18/2008 8:51:48 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Experience Change!)
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To: reagan_fanatic
"Prius!"


58 posted on 03/18/2008 8:52:18 AM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: TheBattman
I have a coworker who - with a straight face, and seriously - told me that his hybrid "Got 34mpg. But it's actually a lot higher than that because the gasoline engine cuts off at intersections."

I haven't figured that one out yet....if you put 10 gallons of gas in a car, and go 340 miles, then you are at 34 mpg. Period. Doesn't matter when the engine runs.

Sounded like he was parroting a salesweasel, along with making a convenient rationalization that his hybrid that gets a few extra miles per gallon was worth the extra $7500 he paid for it.

I love listening to hybrid owners rationalize and justify their decisions.

59 posted on 03/18/2008 8:52:56 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Vince Ferrer

Thanks for the link, I had not seen that before. Have you hear of any further development since 2005?


60 posted on 03/18/2008 8:53:46 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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