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Saudis to retrain 40,000 clerics
BBC News ^ | 3/20/08 | Magdi Abdlehadi

Posted on 03/20/2008 8:08:03 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Saudi Arabia is to retrain its 40,000 prayer leaders - also known as imams - in an effort to counter militant Islam. Details of the plan were revealed in the influential Saudi newspaper Al- Sharq al-Awsat.

The plan is part of a wider programme launched by the Saudi monarch a few years ago to encourage moderation and tolerance in Saudi society.

The ministry of religious affairs and new centre for national dialogue will carry out the training, the paper said.

The centre was created five years ago to disseminate a moderate interpretation of Islamic tradition.

There is growing awareness in Saudi society that security measures alone are not enough to counter the threat of Islamic militancy.

Scepticism

Saudi clerics have long been accused of encouraging Saudi youth to join global jihad and of inciting hatred of non-Muslims.

Nearly 1,000 imams have already been sacked over the past few years.

The Saudi royal family has come under increasing pressure - mainly from Washington - to change religious textbooks and to rein in militant clerics.

But critics are sceptical about whether such initiatives would work as long as the powerful, and ultraconservative, religious establishment in Saudi Arabia continues to exert enormous influence over society.

Only last week, a prominent cleric called for the beheading of two liberal writers who had questioned the orthodox view that Muslims can not change their religion.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clerics; retrain; saudiarabia; saudis; wot

1 posted on 03/20/2008 8:08:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

fwiw


2 posted on 03/20/2008 8:08:58 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: jan in Colorado; Fred Nerks; RS

Ping.


3 posted on 03/20/2008 8:10:17 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is like teaching Reverend Wright to trust and love whitey. Ain’t going to happen for real IMO.

They have to remove all of them, the books and start with different people from the ground up.


4 posted on 03/20/2008 8:11:48 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NormsRevenge
*SIGH* Yeaaaaaaah....and we'll retrain Willie J. Caligula to keep his zipper up in a room full of interns.


5 posted on 03/20/2008 8:12:05 PM PDT by Viking2002 (I hope the AG pounds the Mann Act up Spitzer's ass with a sharp stick.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Saudis to retrain 40,000 clerics

But... but... then who will protect the defenseless citizens of Saudi Arabia from the depredations of schoolgirls without their burkas?

6 posted on 03/20/2008 8:25:47 PM PDT by 6323cd ("It is prohibited to make use of such emotional signs in a cellphone!")
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To: A CA Guy

Ya never know.. I would like to see the clerics at all mosques here re-trained post haste for starters, whether they have indicated any propensities for going radical or not.

also, remember, the hatreds and antagonistic are not genetic but taught and will not be changed overnight.

Time will tell whether this is doable soon enough to spare us all the alternative which is to continue the fight that can and will only claim many more lives on both sides over time and only make any hopes for true change that bioth are comfortable with.

It may not work, but there aren’t many other choices available we can afford for now.


7 posted on 03/20/2008 8:26:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

Be cheaper and faster to just kill em all. End of problem. Ammo is cheap. Immans are cheaper.

Just kidding folks.


8 posted on 03/20/2008 8:34:39 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The Saudis are desperate for this to work, and not because of us.
Saudis started this, and it has come back to bite them lately as they are often now focusing on the Saudi leaders.


9 posted on 03/20/2008 8:39:41 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Desperate may be an understatement of their predicament.

Radical Islam has no mercy on anyone, even for those who are of the same homeland or desert as it were..


10 posted on 03/20/2008 8:41:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
They planted the seed to go another direction, but when it was harder to effect outcomes elsewhere, they also started to target the Saudis at home.

Remember that Osama Bin Laden always wanted to be Kind of that country after dethroning the royal family.

11 posted on 03/20/2008 8:48:05 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NormsRevenge

One can accept this for what it really is, an admission that Islam is riddles with radical imams who are dangerous to civilization.


12 posted on 03/20/2008 9:03:49 PM PDT by highlander_UW (illegal alien is to an undocumented worker as a drug dealer is to an unlicensed pharmacist)
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To: NormsRevenge

Madrassas:

What about all those Saudi-funded Wahabbist Terrorist Supporting Madrassas?

I believe the Saudis fund these terror breeding grounds still today.

See Pakistan.


13 posted on 03/20/2008 9:12:30 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (New York Times Endorsed!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

They may be training peace-loving clerics for the home front, but the ones they are training or exporting abroad are the militant strain of the virus.


14 posted on 03/20/2008 9:13:53 PM PDT by JewishRighter (Why, oh Why can't it be Hunter???)
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To: NormsRevenge
Might I suggest the Ludivico Treatment?


15 posted on 03/20/2008 9:29:34 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Saudi Arabia is to retrain its 40,000 prayer leaders - also known as imams - in an effort to counter militant Islam. “

Spare me. Probably training them to be more subtle.


16 posted on 03/20/2008 9:29:51 PM PDT by Levante
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To: Hugin

That will get you killed! (yet it works IIRC)


17 posted on 03/20/2008 9:32:58 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach

That may be all fine & good but there’s a little matter of the Koran:

Sura (2:191-193) - “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”

Sura (5:33) - “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

Sura (8:12) - “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared,”Kill any Jew who falls under your power.”

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”


18 posted on 03/20/2008 9:42:46 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

I hear ya,, it’s the “little things” that can mess up the best laid plan..


19 posted on 03/20/2008 9:47:29 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
I think that horse is already out of the barn.

Just send 'em to Iraq, we'll take care of them for you.

Imams get in, but they don't get out.

20 posted on 03/20/2008 10:00:00 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

“in an effort to counter militant Islam” they’re going to be retrained in wahhabism — oh, wait...


21 posted on 03/20/2008 10:02:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv
Nearly 1,000 imams have already been sacked over the past few years.

and they've all gone to europe and set up terror cells whilst 'fleecing the flock' and living on welfare... because that's what imams do, imams don't work!

22 posted on 03/20/2008 10:10:05 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (a fair dinkum aussie)
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To: SunkenCiv; USF

23 posted on 03/20/2008 10:14:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (a fair dinkum aussie)
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To: NormsRevenge; SunkenCiv; nuconvert; Dajjal
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24 posted on 03/21/2008 1:03:10 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: NormsRevenge

I believe the Saudi King is more intent on business than jihad. The problem is his populace is heavily tilted toward the Wahbbi sect of Islam, one of the most anti-US sects there are.

If the King were to overplay his hand, the kingdom would be in jeopardy.

I see a lot of talk about taking Saudi Arabia to task, and I would love to see it moderate, but after seeing what took place in Iran in 1978, I’m not willing to watch the Saudi government push change ‘at any price’.

We need to be quite careful what we advocate for Saudi Arabia. We may get what we want short term, only to pay for fifty years if it isn’t done right.


25 posted on 03/21/2008 1:53:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Some think McCain should pick his No 2 now. I thought the nominee was No 2. And that No 1s me off!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Us “whiteys” are just now finding out what has been going on in black churches, just imagine what is going on in mosques...


26 posted on 03/21/2008 2:54:14 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: Fred Nerks
LOL, it's the RoP preachers to advocate overthrowing the lazy house of Saud they are most concerned with. (Amazing how many terrorists they catch, claimed to have "cured", and thus release!)

Gotta get them a more "productive" outlet that will not harm Al Swine or the KSA.

27 posted on 03/21/2008 4:25:48 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade)
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To: kellynla

From the book Riyad-us-Saliheen:

“866. Abu Hurairah reported: The Messenger of Allah said, ‘Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you; and when you meet any one of them on the road, force him to go to the narrowest part of it’. [Muslim] “


28 posted on 03/21/2008 6:27:23 AM PDT by Finnish lurker
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To: AdmSmith; Fred Nerks

LOL!


29 posted on 03/21/2008 8:25:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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To: NormsRevenge
Ya never know.. I would like to see the clerics at all mosques here re-trained post haste for starters, whether they have indicated any propensities for going radical or not. also, remember, the hatreds and antagonistic are not genetic but taught and will not be changed overnight.

True. But I see no indication they are retraining American Imans. Only the ones that are bothering the Saudi royal family. The American Imans are, after all, leading the radicalization of demographic Jihad.

30 posted on 03/21/2008 12:05:31 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: wastoute
Us “whiteys” are just now finding out what has been going on in black churches, just imagine what is going on in mosques...

I know that this whitey was amazed to see what was going on in some black churches. Certainly explains much of the animosity between the races. I certainly hope that this is not happening in most black churches.

I do not even want to imagine what is going on in the mosques.

31 posted on 03/21/2008 12:22:44 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: NormsRevenge
"Nearly 1,000 imams have already been sacked over the past few years."

Won't work, unless they cut off each of those thousand heads and throw them into a thousand sacks. Since they all had that meeting to come up with a plan to deal with the Islamists in their own countries, I've been trying to figure out how they expect to achieve their goals. It would be nice if they COULD...but the Saudi royals have to change their own attitudes, too. Real change has to start at the top with the leaders. That's why they're CALLED leaders.

32 posted on 03/21/2008 12:50:34 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: JewishRighter
"They may be training peace-loving clerics for the home front, but the ones they are training or exporting abroad are the militant strain of the virus."

Those are probably the thousand they "sacked".

33 posted on 03/21/2008 12:51:31 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: DoughtyOne
"If the King were to overplay his hand, the kingdom would be in jeopardy."

Yep. I remember the "Don't Stop the War in Iraq" thing where hundreds of terrorists stood in from of the window of the Saudi ambassador to Britain, silently reminding him and the rest of his government that al Qaeda promised to overthrow them for dealing with the Great Satan. I could have sworn I saved the photograph but can't find it. And when I looked on the web, it looks like it got expunged along with kalifah.com, the terrorist site that organized that little show.

34 posted on 03/21/2008 12:57:07 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: cake_crumb

I don’t recall seeing it, but that sounds about right.

Thanks for the response.


35 posted on 03/21/2008 1:56:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Some think McCain should pick his No 2 now. I thought the nominee was No 2. And that No 1s me off!)
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“Retrain”? Phfffffffffffffft.

Might as well disappear them before they behead you.


36 posted on 03/22/2008 8:24:28 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne ("Shorn, dumb and bleating is no way to go through life, son." Yeah, close enough.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Gee, ya think if ya have to “retrain” 40,000 clerics it may not be the clerics but it might in fact be that 1400 year old Arabic murder-manual you believe in?


37 posted on 03/22/2008 8:29:52 AM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: Boagenes; NormsRevenge; Gondring

“Gee, ya think if ya have to “retrain” 40,000 clerics it may not be the clerics but it might in fact be that 1400 year old Arabic murder-manual you believe in?”

So lets see ...

They are saying they are trying to retrain the clerics that it is not a “murder manual” and you ( presumably an infidel ) are trying to persuade them it is ?


38 posted on 03/22/2008 8:23:43 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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