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Starbucks Ordered to Pay Back Tips
ap ^ | 3/21/08 | By Chelsea J. Carter

Posted on 03/20/2008 8:28:51 PM PDT by Flavius

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To: ThePythonicCow

"I'm sorry, but isn't small the opposite of tall?"
61 posted on 03/20/2008 10:42:24 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: brityank
You're commenting more from a legal perspective.

The post to which I was responding expressed moral indignation at the practice, apparently without regard to the legalities. I was responding that I didn't see a grounds for moral indignation here.

From a legal perspective, your post seems spot on to me. Are you a lawyer?

62 posted on 03/20/2008 10:47:12 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: NurdlyPeon

You’ve obviously never been to Vegas. LOL


63 posted on 03/20/2008 10:48:21 PM PDT by thecabal
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To: durasell

“Starbucks isn’t a fast food restaurant.”


I didn’t say it was, as far as tipping people at the counter for drawing your drink I don’t see the difference.


64 posted on 03/20/2008 10:49:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (Ronald W. Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr., both were U.S. Army veterans.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

The decision was 4 sentences....and just affirms state law.

Well, a lot of baristas might be getting $1000. Lucky them.


65 posted on 03/20/2008 10:49:46 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: ansel12

I didn’t say it was, as far as tipping people at the counter for drawing your drink I don’t see the difference.


You tip in your local bar, don’t you?


66 posted on 03/20/2008 10:51:30 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

I found your receipt! Hope you tipped after this.

67 posted on 03/20/2008 10:52:26 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: ThePythonicCow

IANAL — just had several fights with management over my years dealing with technicians and field supervision. Like you said, it’s up to the team, but IF Starbucks set the policy, then yes they owe the money. One guy asked me once to “show me where it’s written ...” — I responded we don’t write things down, because then we’d have to follow them! LOL!


68 posted on 03/20/2008 10:53:30 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: durasell

I have to assume that you tip at the fast food counters as well, especially if they set out a tip jar.


69 posted on 03/20/2008 10:58:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (Ronald W. Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr., both were U.S. Army veterans.)
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To: brityank
Sounds like a good plan.
70 posted on 03/20/2008 10:59:16 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: RandallFlagg
My guess is you should not be planning on a career with Starbucks marketing <grin>.
71 posted on 03/20/2008 11:01:02 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
This case sounds somewhat different than my experience...but I am still annoyed to this day about the policy of the "owners" of the Bonanza franchise that employed me as a college student.

Within two weeks of starting, I had worked my way up to "hostess." Orders were placed with a cashier when the customer entered; I seated them, served their food, refilled their drinks...standard full waitress treatment (except for the ordering).

Because I was good at my job, I was always scheduled at the busy times...Sunday after Church for example...and was assigned to the large groups that typically visited on said days (sometimes 15-20 people).

I was routinely thanked for my service, and LARGE tips of $20-40 were left for me...but I couldn't take them. Their position was that the "entire restaurant experience" was being rewarded. Idiotic.

They did not divide the tips, but put them into a "jar" for a special Christmas Party...that never occurred. Most of the time, the busboys pocketed the money.

We were allowed to keep the money if the customer handed it to us personally; as though anyone would ever think to do so.

Yes, I quit after 6 months. I still think that was one of the most bizarre policies ever, an excellent way to make certain that you have a lackluster waitstaff.

72 posted on 03/20/2008 11:01:15 PM PDT by garandgal
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To: ansel12

I don’t eat fast food — but the last time I checked, it was against most franchise agreements to set up a tip jar. However, if there is a tip jar, I’ll at least throw the change from the order in it. Having worked in the food/beverage industry, I know the value of a good tip to the employee and customer.


73 posted on 03/20/2008 11:03:17 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

It was just something a little cartoon squirel named, “Foamy,” said. Kind of a funny rant.


74 posted on 03/20/2008 11:04:54 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: garandgal
Ouch -- sounds like one of those jobs that helps one understand the value of a higher education.
75 posted on 03/20/2008 11:05:00 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: RandallFlagg
Yup.
76 posted on 03/20/2008 11:06:17 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: durasell

“I don’t eat fast food — but the last time I checked, it was against most franchise agreements to set up a tip jar”


It is a staple in the Mexican fast food restaurants. I spent years in the food/beverage business as well, and always saw tips as unamerican and degrading.

I hope that you tip your plumber, especially when he does something special like crawl under your house into mud and filth and spends six hours wet, cold and disgusting, to fix a broken pipe. He doesn’t make any more pay for that than he does doing clean, warm inside work.


77 posted on 03/20/2008 11:13:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (Ronald W. Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr., both were U.S. Army veterans.)
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To: ansel12

People in the restaurant business count on tips. In regards to plumbers, etc., I don’t tip them, but always offer coffee, tea, soda, etc. and I have a friend in the entertainment business who always lays a couple of tickets to concerts, sporting events, etc. on workers. Only guy I know who can get a plumber out to his house at 11 at night to fix the hot water heater.

Very simple formula — treat people right and they’ll treat you right.


78 posted on 03/20/2008 11:19:55 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

“Only guy I know who can get a plumber out to his house at 11 at night to fix the hot water heater.”


You don’t tip your plumber, and where do you live that the plumbers won’t respond to emergency calls?


79 posted on 03/20/2008 11:25:44 PM PDT by ansel12 (Ronald W. Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr., both were U.S. Army veterans.)
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To: ansel12

Do you really believe a server is the equiv. of a plumber?

Busted water heaters aren’t considered emergency calls — they can wait until the next day.


80 posted on 03/20/2008 11:27:56 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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