Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Taking Christ out of Christianity (You are NOT going to believe this!)
The Globe and Mail ^ | March 22, 2008 | The Globe and Mail

Posted on 03/22/2008 6:56:04 AM PDT by mkleesma

That triumphal barnburner of an Easter hymn, Jesus Christ Has Risen Today – Hallelujah, this morning will rock the walls of Toronto's West Hill United Church as it will in most Christian churches across the country.

But at West Hill on the faith's holiest day, it will be done with a huge difference. The words “Jesus Christ” will be excised from what the congregation sings and replaced with “Glorious hope.”

Thus, it will be hope that is declared to be resurrected – an expression of renewal of optimism and the human spirit – but not Jesus, contrary to Christianity's central tenet about the return to life on Easter morning of the crucified divine son of God.

Generally speaking, no divine anybody makes an appearance in West Hill's Sunday service liturgy.

There is no authoritative Big-Godism, as Rev. Gretta Vosper, West Hill's minister for the past 10 years, puts it. No petitionary prayers (“Dear God, step into the world and do good things about global warming and the poor”). No miracles-performing magic Jesus given birth by a virgin and coming back to life. No references to salvation, Christianity's teaching of the final victory over death through belief in Jesus's death as an atonement for sin and the omnipotent love of God. For that matter, no omnipotent God, or god.

Ms. Vosper has written a book, published this week – With or Without God: Why the Way We Live is More Important than What We Believe – in which she argues that the Christian church, in the form in which it exists today, has outlived its viability and either it sheds its no-longer credible myths, doctrines and dogmas, or it's toast.

She is considered one of the bright, if unconventional, minds within the United Church, Canada's largest Protestant Christian denomination. She holds a master of divinity degree from Queen's University and was ordained in 1992. She founded and chairs the Toronto-based Canadian Centre for Progressive Christianity.

Other Christian clergy and theologians have talked about the need to dramatically reform the doctrines of a faith that, with the exception of its vibrancy in the United States, has lost huge numbers of adherents throughout the Western world it once dominated as Christendom. In Canada, where 75 per cent of the population self-identifies as Christian, only about 16 per cent attend weekly services.

Addressing those statistics, what Ms. Vosper proposes is not so much reform as a scorched-earth approach.

A number of leading theologians in Britain – where the decline in adherents is more dramatic than in Canada – are on the same path, people like Richard Holloway, former bishop of Edinburgh and primate of the Scottish Episcopal (Anglican) Church, who has likened the Christian church to a self-service cafeteria stacked with messy trays of leftover food urgently in need of being thrown out.

Like Bishop Holloway, Ms. Vosper does not want to dress up the theological detritus – her words – of the past two millennia with new language in the hope of making it more palatable. She wants to get rid of it, and build on its ashes a new spiritual movement that will have relevance in a tight-knit global world under threat of human destruction.

She says there's been virtually a consensus among scholars for the past 30 years that the Bible is not some divine emanation – or in Ms. Vosper acronym, TAWOGFAT, The Authoritative Word of God For All Time – but a human project filled with contradictions and the conflicting worldviews and political perspectives of its authors.

And yet, she says, the liberal Christian churches, including her own, won't acknowledge that it is a human project, that it's wrong in parts and that, in the 21st century, it's no more useful as a spiritual and religious guide than a number of other books.

She says now that the work of biblical scholars has become publicly accessible, the churches and their clergy are caught living a lie that few people will buy much longer. “I just don't think we can placate those in the pews long enough to transition into a kind of new community that doesn't keep people away.”

She wants salvation redefined to mean new life through removing the causes of suffering in the world. She wants the church to define resurrection as “starting over,” “new chances.” She wants an end to the image of God as an intervening all-powerful authority who must be appeased to avoid divine wrath; rather she would have congregations work together as communities to define God – or god – according to their own worked-out definitions of what is holy and sacred. She wants the eucharist – the symbolic eating and drinking of Jesus's body and blood to make the congregation part of Jesus's body – to be instead a symbolic experience of community love.

Theologians asked to comment on her book said they wouldn't until they've read it.

But one of her colleagues who knows her well, Rev. Rob Oliphant, the progressive pastor of Toronto's Eglinton St. George's United Church, said, “While I'm somewhat sympathetic to the aims of it all – getting rid of the nonsense and keeping the core faith – I think that there is something lacking in it all. Gone is metaphor, poetry, symbol, image, beauty, paradox.”

Ms. Vosper said she and her congregation have tried hard not to lose those elements in their search for the sacred and the transcendent in life.

She met with members of her congregation last Sunday to discuss what the impact might be of her book.

She said it would take only a single vote of a presbytery – a local governing body of the church – to bring her before the church courts if a complaint against her is made, and the courts could be interested in examining what it means to be in “essential agreement” with the church's statement of faith.

“I can find myself in there [the statements of faith] but there's whole parts of it where I go, ‘Oh my goodness, this is terrible.' If someone says to me, ‘Do you believe in God?' I can come up with an answer that would satisfy the courts of the United Church. But would it reflect what's stated in their statement of faith? I don't think so. But it wouldn't be very far from what my colleague down the street, and what his colleague down the street from him, would say. That's the problem.”


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apostasy; blasphemy; canada; deception; falseprophets; grettavosper; heresy; humanism; moralabsolutes; narcissism; newage; religiousleft
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 121-140141-160161-180181-183 next last
To: Greg F

Happy Resurrection Day, indeed!


141 posted on 03/22/2008 12:44:46 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Jesus is alive! Is Mohammed? Nope..didn't think so.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: IrishCatholic

No relation to Jeremiah Wright?


142 posted on 03/22/2008 12:46:19 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Jesus is alive! Is Mohammed? Nope..didn't think so.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: Don Corleone

yes they do...


143 posted on 03/22/2008 12:47:14 PM PDT by sit-rep
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: nina0113
Dropped off my youngest daughter at church this morning, as she helped prepare tables for tonight after Easter Vigil.

I stopped by in the church for a few quiet moments in front of the Tabernacle.

The beauty and quiet of the Triduum is awe inspiring. As I gazed upon the crucifix I couldn't help but pity those who just don't get it.

2000 years later we still have people denying Christ. So sad....

144 posted on 03/22/2008 12:47:47 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: WKB; Salvation; Sopater; Vision

ping


145 posted on 03/22/2008 1:23:51 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mkleesma
Ms. Vosper has written a book, published this week – With or Without God: Why the Way We Live is More Important than What We Believe – in which she argues that the Christian church, in the form in which it exists today, has outlived its viability and either it sheds its no-longer credible myths, doctrines and dogmas, or it's toast.

Oh, no ma'am...it's not the Christian church that will be toast. You've got that dangerously wrong.

146 posted on 03/22/2008 1:32:21 PM PDT by Allegra (I have an inbred fear of stupid people.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nina0113

In 1922 an estimated 33 million people were in danger of starvation in Soviet Russia. A story is told of Nikolai Bukharin, whom Lenin once called the “darling” of the Bolshevik Party, as head of the Communist International and Editor of the then leading newspaper, Pravda, and later in the 1930s, of Isvestia, at that time the government mouthpiece.

Tradition has it that Bukharin was sent from Moscow to Kiev to address a vast anti-God rally. For an hour he abused and ridiculed the Christian faith until it seemed as if the whole structure of belief was in ruins. Questions were invited.

An elderly priest of the Orthodox Church rose. He faced the people and gave them the ancient Easter greeting, CHRISTOS ANESTÇ EK NEKRÔN, “Christ is risen from the dead”.

Instantly the whole vast assembly rose to its feet, and the reply came back like a crash of breakers against the cliff, “ALITHOS ANESTE” - “He is risen indeed”.

http://www.archbishopofyork.org/258


147 posted on 03/22/2008 1:33:21 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: pissant
"Can you make sense of this? This gal is more than confused."

The name of the website "warmplace" combined with the reference to Buffy the vampire slayer was more than enough to spook me right outta there.

148 posted on 03/22/2008 1:53:03 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 129 | View Replies]

To: mkleesma
What kind of a nut would attend services "emceed" by such a "shepherdess?"

I realize this is Canada, but the article says Christians in England are staying away in larger droves. What's the name of that British clown...Rowan Williams?

Wow. It's hard to believe Tony Blair would want to become a Catholic. Yikes!

It's the end of the world as we know it...I feel fine...

149 posted on 03/22/2008 2:45:15 PM PDT by stevem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BenLurkin

>>There is no hope without the resurrection of Christ.

“By his great mercy we have been born anew to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.” 1 Peter 1:3<<

Shhhh, don’t make them uncomfortable with the truth!


150 posted on 03/22/2008 2:51:09 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am very mad at Disney. Give me my James Marden song!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: angcat

Yesterday was Purim as well.

I love to throw people off and wish them Happy Purim. It’s a WWJD moment for me!


151 posted on 03/22/2008 2:54:23 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am very mad at Disney. Give me my James Marden song!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Hoof Hearted

The fear is on the phone with customers all over the US. This goes on during Christmas also. I never noticed it with Easter until this year.


152 posted on 03/22/2008 3:08:21 PM PDT by angcat (Indian name "She who yells too much")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 119 | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom

I must confess I have never heard of Purim?


153 posted on 03/22/2008 3:10:01 PM PDT by angcat (Indian name "She who yells too much")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 151 | View Replies]

To: mkleesma

Well, when they convince me that that is the way it really is, I’ll become an atheist. At least that’s an honest opinion, and no mealy-mouthed do-gooderism.


154 posted on 03/22/2008 4:18:50 PM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Roman 3:

10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

...

12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

...

20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

...

22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

155 posted on 03/22/2008 4:52:33 PM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 85 | View Replies]

To: Cicero

What is their “core faith”? That is the question. Not faith is Christ, that is obvious.


156 posted on 03/22/2008 4:54:03 PM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 95 | View Replies]

To: mkleesma
"She said it would take only a single vote of a presbytery – a local governing body of the church – to bring her before the church courts if a complaint against her is made, and the courts could be interested in examining what it means to be in “essential agreement” with the church's statement of faith."

What? Is she afraid somebody will find out she's a fraud? I would just ignore the sillly creature. Nothing stings an arrogant mind like being treated like wallpaper.

157 posted on 03/22/2008 5:06:08 PM PDT by redhead (Come ON, global warming!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: angcat

I’ve heard it is a blast! Lots of noisemakers and costumes. I read “The All of a Kind Family” to my girls and it sounds like a really good time.


158 posted on 03/22/2008 5:57:42 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am very mad at Disney. Give me my James Marden song!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 153 | View Replies]

To: mkleesma

This is weird...more so because I saw this next movement coming in my thoughts within the past week. I was pondering the Stations of the Cross and Good Friday and the continual erosion of Faith through the Gramscian unraveling of modern theological thought.


159 posted on 03/22/2008 8:01:17 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...Pax et Bonem)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: chesley

As far as I can make out, they don’t even come up to the level of Unitarians.


160 posted on 03/22/2008 8:10:28 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 156 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 121-140141-160161-180181-183 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson