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A Boy the Bullies Love to Beat Up, Repeatedly
New York Times ^ | Mar 24, 2008 | Dan Barry

Posted on 03/23/2008 11:35:01 PM PDT by balch3

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To: balch3

Homeschooling!!! Heathen kids are animals.


81 posted on 03/24/2008 6:27:03 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
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To: MrB

BINGO!!!!


82 posted on 03/24/2008 6:30:50 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: metmom

Ping.


83 posted on 03/24/2008 6:32:28 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: wintertime

Whenever I see an inexplicable, anti-social, anti-common sense policy out of the left,

I always go back to their desire for absolute control over everyone’s lives.

This viewpoint usually gives insight into the “end goals” of any policy that doesn’t make sense from the point of view of someone with any sense of justice and objective truth.


84 posted on 03/24/2008 6:34:28 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: wintertime
I bet he had **NO** faith in his parents either!

What would you have the parents do? They went to the school to get the school to step up to their responsibility, it didn't do any good.

85 posted on 03/24/2008 6:38:05 AM PDT by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: wideminded
I had the same thing with my daughters. One girl kept picking and bullying my oldest. We had a conference with the parents, the principal and the girls.

The parents were as bad as their girl trying to bully us into giving in to their point of view that, "it was ok", "our girl would never do that", "kids will be kids", and if "she can't take care of herself, she should find another school."

I made sure they understood that my girls have been taught to never ever start a confrontation, and to defend themselves if necessary. One day, I told them, your daughter will go too far and my girls will demonstrate that.

Not two days later my oldest was jumped, and my other daughter jumped in, and they beat the crap out of four other girls, including the bully.

I was called at work that my daughters were in the principals office and about to be expelled. When I showed at the school, the girl(the bully), the other 3 girls involved(all sporting split lips, bruises, etc), her parents, scowling and screaming at me about the two black eyes their girl had, were in the hallway. I entered the principals office where she told me the girls would be expelled.

I reminded her that our discussion earlier was about my kids defending themselves. I also told her if she made one move to expell them I would have not only have a good lawsuit, I would expose her incompetence in stopping this kind of bullying.

The other girls were expelled, my kids were vindicated and gained a little popularity for helping to get rid of the bully that terrorized a lot of them.

The behavior starts at home. Kids reflect their parents. Some of them should not be allowed to reproduce.

86 posted on 03/24/2008 6:44:19 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Remember, no matter how bad your life is, someone is watching and enjoying your suffering.)
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To: balch3

Yes, this is a sickening story but ironically, I think a point went over the collective heads of the NYTimes. They bemoan the fact of bullying but lets take this local story and enlarge it on a global scale. Who are the bullies in the world? Of course, to the media elites, the bully is the United States. But we know who the bullies are. And these parents who keep going to the school admin officials and not getting any help is the same as us continually going to the UN and not getting any satisfaction.


87 posted on 03/24/2008 6:44:27 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: trussell
What would you have the parents do? They went to the school to get the school to step up to their responsibility, it didn't do any good.
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What would I have the parents do?

Answer: Remove him immediately from that prison-like environment! Take him OUT of school! Immediately!!! This morning!

Sometimes it is better for a child to receive **NO** education whatsoever than to suffer the abuses they will find in their government school! I **seriously** mean this!

But,,,from the article, it states that the young man was attending a so-called “good” school in a so-called “good” area. I am willing to bet that there is plenty of opportunity for the parents of this boy to **downsize** their lifestyle and have the money to homeschool or privately school their son.

The boy, on some level, **KNOWS** this. He will rightly conclude that a big house, fancy cars, and expensive vacations are MORE important to his parents than **HE** IS!

By the way, the article states that the boy has learning disabilities. I would bet the farm that the reason this boy has “disabilities” is due to his prison-like environment. Children ( especially boys) are FORCED into a rigid prison—like environment at far too early ages. Those running the schools have the right idea. Their children do not start school until they are 7. Homeschoolers have the expression, “Wait until eight!”

88 posted on 03/24/2008 7:00:14 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Royal Wulff

The irony of these types of situations is that when the victim does retaliate (baseball bat in hand) he’s suspect #1 and usually gets the full force of the legal system dropped on him.

I spent a good bit of my 7th grade year getting bullied by a group of 9th graders. School wouldn’t do a thing about it. I got a group of other victims together & one-by-one we isolated the offenders & beat the living tar out of them. We did more time in suspension then the original offenders, but it ended right there.


89 posted on 03/24/2008 7:00:44 AM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; bill1952; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list.

Concern about bullying was one of our reasons to homeschool. My oldest daughter is tall but very slight in build and for a long time really didn't know how to stand up for herself, it's just not in her nature. They would have slaughtered her.

My son could have handled himself but the tendency for the bully to get away with it and the victim who retaliates to take the punishment factored in our decision, too.

By the third one, we were deeply entrenched in homeschooling but SHE'S the one others need to fear. She's already put a few guys in their places, an a couple on the floor for not backing off when told warned to.

90 posted on 03/24/2008 7:01:07 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wintertime

I never argue with someone who says they “can’t homeschool”,

but, I always wonder if they are living the life that I see a lot of homeschoolers living:

One income, modest house, (maybe) two cars, one a compact to get the man to work, the other a beat up van for hauling the kids. No game stations and very little in the way of electronic entertainment. Eating out once a year, vacationing within driving distance, etc.

Depends on what you value most.


91 posted on 03/24/2008 7:03:47 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB
Dear MrB,

I know homeschooling families who live as you describe, even where the husband's salary is relatively modest, and there are many children.

I know of one family in particular with seven children, five of them young ladies. I would be secretly delighted if one or both of my sons were to marry one of these bright, curious, articulate, well-educated, cheerful, energetic, devout, pretty, wonderful young ladies someday.


sitetest

92 posted on 03/24/2008 7:09:56 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Royal Wulff

I agree with that.


93 posted on 03/24/2008 7:16:22 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: quadrant

Krav Maga


94 posted on 03/24/2008 7:16:32 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: sitetest

Sorry I couldn’t find it, but there is a book out there to the effect of

How to Raise Sons to be providers/sole income earners - something.

You should find this book if you truly desire what you state.

While searching, I came across this little gem,
Raising boys that feminists will hate:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1590433/posts


95 posted on 03/24/2008 7:18:31 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: balch3

I know a guy who’s kid stood up to a neighborhood bully. After he beat the tar out of the kid he went home and told his dad. His dad had a conversation about fighting the right and wrong way then took his kid out for ice cream.

I got cornered by a school bully when I was younger. Surprisingly, the little twerp was alone which was unusual for him. I was holding a cheese grater that we were using to grate wax to make candles in art class. Let’s just say it works well on skin too and the punk never even glanced at me again.


96 posted on 03/24/2008 7:18:58 AM PDT by cyclotic (Support Scouting-Raising boys to be men, and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: river rat

Your philosophy is what I believe in.

And if I have children, what I will teach them as well.


97 posted on 03/24/2008 7:20:44 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: PleaseNoMore

I have zero faith in them as well. A teacher allowed me to get knocked out when I was a freshman in high school; the kid hit me because he didn’t know I was on his volleyball team.

Yes the kid was black. No the teacher didn’t get security.


98 posted on 03/24/2008 7:24:12 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: balch3
I took regular beatings until I was about 12. Went to a rough elementary school. Luckily, I wasn't permanently injured or ever hurt really badly by bullies.

But let me tell you something. Whenever I hear other adults talking about their innocent little angels uncorrupted by the world, I remember the little monsters I went to school with. Most of them are more innocent and nice now than they were then.
99 posted on 03/24/2008 7:25:06 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: tal hajus

The one time I confronted a group of kids bullying my younger brother was the one time the school came down on me with both feet. Instead of threatening them I should have cleaned their clocks. I didn’t but I paid the price for having done it. Eventually Little Brother took care of it himself.

School administrators are not, and never have been, inclined to investigate bullying. You could sit in a lunch room or stand at a bus stop for 10 minutes and spot the offenders.


100 posted on 03/24/2008 7:27:09 AM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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