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Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X
National Post ^ | February 02, 2007 | Lawrence Solomon

Posted on 03/25/2008 2:37:52 PM PDT by Delacon

Astrophysicist Nir Shariv, one of Israel's top young scientists, describes the logic that led him -- and most everyone else -- to conclude that SUVs, coal plants and other things man-made cause global warming.

Step One Scientists for decades have postulated that increases in carbon dioxide and other gases could lead to a greenhouse effect.

Step Two As if on cue, the temperature rose over the course of the 20th century while greenhouse gases proliferated due to human activities.

Step Three No other mechanism explains the warming. Without another candidate, greenhouses gases necessarily became the cause.


The series

Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV

The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X

Dr. Shariv, a prolific researcher who has made a name for himself assessing the movements of two-billion-year-old meteorites, no longer accepts this logic, or subscribes to these views. He has recanted: "Like many others, I was personally sure that CO2 is the bad culprit in the story of global warming. But after carefully digging into the evidence, I realized that things are far more complicated than the story sold to us by many climate scientists or the stories regurgitated by the media.

"In fact, there is much more than meets the eye."


Dr. Shariv's digging led him to the surprising discovery that there is no concrete evidence -- only speculation -- that man-made greenhouse gases cause global warming. Even research from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change-- the United Nations agency that heads the worldwide effort to combat global warming -- is bereft of anything here inspiring confidence. In fact, according to the IPCC's own findings, man's role is so uncertain that there is a strong possibility that we have been cooling, not warming, the Earth. Unfortunately, our tools are too crude to reveal what man's effect has been in the past, let alone predict how much warming or cooling we might cause in the future.

All we have on which to pin the blame on greenhouse gases, says Dr. Shaviv, is "incriminating circumstantial evidence," which explains why climate scientists speak in terms of finding "evidence of fingerprints." Circumstantial evidence might be a fine basis on which to justify reducing greenhouse gases, he adds, "without other 'suspects.' " However, Dr. Shaviv not only believes there are credible "other suspects," he believes that at least one provides a superior explanation for the 20th century's warming.

"Solar activity can explain a large part of the 20th-century global warming," he states, particularly because of the evidence that has been accumulating over the past decade of the strong relationship that cosmic- ray flux has on our atmosphere. So much evidence has by now been amassed, in fact, that "it is unlikely that [the solar climate link] does not exist."

The sun's strong role indicates that greenhouse gases can't have much of an influence on the climate -- that C02 et al. don't dominate through some kind of leveraging effect that makes them especially potent drivers of climate change. The upshot of the Earth not being unduly sensitive to greenhouse gases is that neither increases nor cutbacks in future C02 emissions will matter much in terms of the climate.

Even doubling the amount of CO2 by 2100, for example, "will not dramatically increase the global temperature," Dr. Shaviv states. Put another way: "Even if we halved the CO2 output, and the CO2 increase by 2100 would be, say, a 50% increase relative to today instead of a doubled amount, the expected reduction in the rise of global temperature would be less than 0.5C. This is not significant."

The evidence from astrophysicists and cosmologists in laboratories around the world, on the other hand, could well be significant. In his study of meteorites, published in the prestigious journal, Physical Review Letters, Dr. Shaviv found that the meteorites that Earth collected during its passage through the arms of the Milky Way sustained up to 10% more cosmic ray damage than others. That kind of cosmic ray variation, Dr. Shaviv believes, could alter global temperatures by as much as 15% --sufficient to turn the ice ages on or off and evidence of the extent to which cosmic forces influence Earth's climate.

In another study, directly relevant to today's climate controversy, Dr. Shaviv reconstructed the temperature on Earth over the past 550 million years to find that cosmic ray flux variations explain more than two-thirds of Earth's temperature variance, making it the most dominant climate driver over geological time scales. The study also found that an upper limit can be placed on the relative role of CO2 as a climate driver, meaning that a large fraction of the global warming witnessed over the past century could not be due to CO2 -- instead it is attributable to the increased solar activity.

CO2 does play a role in climate, Dr. Shaviv believes, but a secondary role, one too small to preoccupy policymakers. Yet Dr. Shaviv also believes fossil fuels should be controlled, not because of their adverse affects on climate but to curb pollution.

"I am therefore in favour of developing cheap alternatives such as solar power, wind, and of course fusion reactors (converting Deuterium into Helium), which we should have in a few decades, but this is an altogether different issue." His conclusion: "I am quite sure Kyoto is not the right way to go."

Lawrence Solomon@nextcity.com



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alarmists; climatechange; globalwarming; skeptics
I was going through my bookmarks and stumbled on this series by Lawrence Solomon of the National Post. I did a FR search and sure enough the ever vigilant FR posters didn't disappoint. Freeper Libwhacker had posted the first article in the series on 2/5/07. However at that time there were only 10 parts in the series and links to the other 9 parts in the series are only referenced in follow up posts on that thread. Since then the total number of parts in the series has grown to 27 with the last article dated 6/15/07. I checked as best I could but I don't think anyone posted any follow ups to the first in the series(my apologies if I missed anyone's efforts). Now I know that this series is a little bit dated but I can't think of a more comprehensive and fair coverage(don't let the frequent use of the term "deniers" throw ya) of climate change skepticism has been done since. This series does a thorough point by point analysis of the issues skeptics have with the so called "consensus". Heck, it not only uses frequent references to some of the biggest names in skepticism but then sites their CVs. Anyway, I am posting all 27 articles(if the administrators will let me) but here is the main site with links to all parts in the series if you don't want to wait. Dis is gonna take a lot of work.
 

Climate change: The Deniers

National Post  Published: Friday, February 09, 2007

Earth

The Post's series on scientists who buck the conventional wisdom on climate science. Here is the series so far:

Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X
End the chill -- The Deniers Part XI
Clouded research -- The Deniers Part XII
Allegre's second thoughts -- The Deniers XIII
The heat's in the sun -- The Deniers XIV
Unsettled Science -- The Deniers XV
Bitten by the IPCC -- The Deniers XVI
Little ice age is still within us -- The Deniers XVII
Fighting climate 'fluff' -- The Deniers XVIII

Science, not politics -- The Deniers XIX
Gore's guru disagreed -- The Deniers XX
The ice-core man -- The Deniers XXI
Some restraint in Rome -- The Deniers XXII
Discounting logic -- The Deniers XXIII
Dire forecasts aren't new -- The Deniers XXIV
They call this a consensus? - Part XXV
NASA chief Michael Griffin silenced - Part XXVI
Forget warming - beware the new ice age - Part XXVII

 
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=c6a32614-f906-4597-993d-f181196a6d71

1 posted on 03/25/2008 2:37:53 PM PDT by Delacon
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2 posted on 03/25/2008 2:38:25 PM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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How about this chart good Doctor:-()

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3 posted on 03/25/2008 2:59:25 PM PDT by geo40xyz ((McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?))
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That chart shows CO2 concentrations following the temperature trends, not causing it.
4 posted on 03/25/2008 3:29:51 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: CA Conservative; geo40xyz
That chart shows CO2 concentrations following the temperature trends, not causing it.

Which sort of begs the question:
If not temperature fluctuations, then what did cause all those prehistoric CO2 increases? And subsequent decreases?

5 posted on 03/25/2008 3:35:31 PM PDT by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: Antonello
If not temperature fluctuations, then what did cause all those prehistoric CO2 increases? And subsequent decreases?

Actually, the chart would seem to indicate that temperature influences CO2 concentrations, not the other way around. So it would seem that higher temperatures allow higher CO2 concentrations. It may also be that higher average temperatures support larger populations of animals and humans, all of which emit more CO2, but the population increase lags behind the temperature increase by a few years. As temperatures cool down, more deaths of the weak and infirm occur, lowering the populations and decreasing the CO2 output.

6 posted on 03/25/2008 3:43:39 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: Delacon

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7 posted on 03/25/2008 3:49:27 PM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: CA Conservative
Actually, the chart would seem to indicate that temperature influences CO2 concentrations, not the other way around. So it would seem that higher temperatures allow higher CO2 concentrations. It may also be that higher average temperatures support larger populations of animals and humans, all of which emit more CO2, but the population increase lags behind the temperature increase by a few years. As temperatures cool down, more deaths of the weak and infirm occur, lowering the populations and decreasing the CO2 output.

That definitely supports theorizing that temperature fluctuations drove CO2 concentrations. I've yet to hear a plausible (or even implausible, for that matter) hypothesis explaining ancient increases in CO2 causing temperature increases. Even though Al Gore and Co. would dearly love people to believe it.

At best (from the perspective of a supporter of man-made Global Warming), this chart shows a possible correlation between temperature and CO2, not a causation. And certainly not that CO2 drove temperature change.

8 posted on 03/25/2008 3:56:13 PM PDT by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: CA Conservative

I read somewhere that the oceans are the world’s repositories of the largest amounts of CO2. The warmer the oceans get, the more CO2 they release.


9 posted on 03/25/2008 3:56:32 PM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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10 posted on 03/25/2008 5:18:00 PM PDT by xcamel (Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it.)
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To: CA Conservative

It is actually a function of the solubility of CO2 in water.

In the paleoclimate data CO2 increases lag temperature increases by app. 1,000 years.

See The Acquittal of Carbon Dioxide, http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html#more for a full blown paper on the subject.

Rising CO2 is a result, not a cause of global warming.


11 posted on 03/26/2008 4:33:33 PM PDT by Buckhead (Making the comments buckhead won't make!)
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