Posted on 03/26/2008 8:54:27 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
Countries urged to see 'true face' of Dalai Lama
By Qin Jize (China Daily)
Updated: 2008-03-26 07:10
Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang yesterday again urged the international community to see the Dalai Lama's "true face" and offer no support for his secessionist activities.
Qin made the remarks in response to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's recent call for China to consider a new policy to address the Tibet issue and to start talks with the Dalai Lama.
US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi also visited the Dalai Lama last week.
Qin said the position of just a few countries did not represent that of the international community.
More than 100 nations have expressed their support and understanding of the Chinese government's attitude to protecting the lives and property of its citizens from violent riots, he said.
Qin said the central government's policy toward the Dalai Lama is consistent and explicit, saying it not only listens to what he says but, more importantly, observes what he does.
China yesterday also criticized a British newspaper's report that linked the Beijing Olympics with the Berlin Games of 1936, saying the story is an insult to Chinese citizens and to the people of the world.
A report published in the British newspaper the Sunday Times said China is holding the Olympics for the same reason Adolf Hitler did in 1936, as an opportunity to collect accolades.
Qin said the Beijing Olympics is a magnificent sports meeting, and people from all nations have expressed their wishes to use it as an opportunity to enhance global understanding, friendship and cooperation.
"The Olympic torch symbolizes humankind's noble ideals and beautiful aspirations," Qin said.
" It also casts light on the gloomy mentality of some people, which will help the common people see their true face," he said.
"The Beijing Olympic Games must be a success with all the efforts made by the people of the
Actually, China is reminding us of 'true face' of theirs.
Ping!
I tend to think the Dalai Lama are to Tibetans and a better life in Tibet as a part of China as Black preachers are to Black America and a better local life in the greater America. It's no wonder the Democratic elite love the Dalai Lama.
Well put. Not that China is all peaches and cream, I just get the same thoughts.
His 'true face' is wanting freedom and democracy for his people.
Yes, China, by all means - let's see his true face
Great... let’s find more excuses for a communist tyranny violenty occupying a nation. Way to go!/s
Texas was not violently occupied, annexed and oppressed by the USA. Totally different case.
do you know this for a fact, or is it just something you think because it makes you ‘feel good’ to say it? The Dali Llama has asked for true autonomy, not outright independence. Meanwhile, China is systematically eradicating Tibetan culture, bringing in Han Chinese to overwhelm the population (a form of ethnic cleansing) and raping their land of natural resources. Yeah, just like our black population. If you love the concept of freedom at all (and I am not sure that you do) then you would do well to support the Dali Llama.
I’m not giving commie’s absolution, quite the contrary. I was just agreeing about the similarities articulated by the original poster.
Color me skeptical but due to the entourage the Dalai Lama surrounds himself with, I’m not so sure his rhetoric would match his “vision” of a democratic Tibet. Democratic like Venezuela or Cuba?
China seized Tibet by force, and holds it by force. There isn’t any way around that.
The Dalai Lama has never supported any kind of militant opposition to Chinese rule, and still does not. The only threat he poses to them is as a reminder of a Tibetan culture that has not yet been entirely extinguished.
And for them, that is enough to make him their greatest enemy.
Exactly. If countries knew about the true face of China,.....wait a minute, they do and are still willing to pamper the ChiComs.
Let’s see, the Dalai Lama talks about peace. And acts in a peaceful way. And then he has more peaceful talk.....
The Chinese OTOH.......
LOL....did you come up with these thoughts on your own or are you merely a willing “victim” of ChiCom propaganda?
Do you know anything about Tibet at all? Or are you just spewing off nonsense?
Tibet is one of the only places left with operational gulags. Possessing a picture of the Dalai Lama is enough to get one imprisoned for years if not decades.
Add to this the 1.6 MILLION Tibetans who have been killed by the Chinese, and I am not sure whether you looks more stupid, naieve or moronic.
Well said.
How about you learn something before making yourself look foolish?
The Autobiography of a Tibetan Monk
Palden Gyatso was born in a Tibetan village in 1933 and became an ordained Buddhist monk at 18 — just as Tibet was in the midst of political upheaval. When Communist China invaded Tibet in 1950, it embarked on a program of “reform” that would eventually affect all of Tibet’s citizens and nearly decimate its ancient culture. In 1967, the Chinese destroyed monasteries across Tibet and forced thousands of monks into labor camps and prisons. Gyatso spent the next 25 years of his life enduring interrogation and torture simply for the strength of his beliefs. Palden Gyatso’s story bears witness to the resilience of the human spirit, and to the strength of Tibet’s proud civilization, faced with cultural genocide.
Texas was not violently occupied, annexed and oppressed by the USA. Totally different case.
Re: As for Tibet, it has belonged to China for several hundred years
Let’s see your proof of this.
“How about you learn something before making yourself look foolish?”
If he were of the “learning” type, he wouldn’t spout such nonsense in the first place. He would have taken some time to read about Tibet and the ChiComs first.
If certain “FReepers” are enthusiastic about the ChiComs’ genocide in Tibet and elsewhere after learning the facts, the only thing that’s left to question is their moral compass (or more accurately, the existence of one).
Well, I’ve had an Asian roommate for about 3 years and my ex-boss was from a billionaire feudal Chinese family who fled to Taiwan with the gold. He sees the Chinese as cold heartless uncultured mafia type folks who rule as typical communist do. Having had friends from Mainland China, I tend to agree. Moreover, as he stated, the reason China lost the war was China’s indifference to Japanese atrocities (the Chinese elite viewed them as just numbers in an on-going war) but as many Vietnamese later discovered, being under communist is far worst than being ruled by the elite. In short, I’m pro Taiwan and definitely against all forms of communism based of seeing it’s destruction first hand.
Having had the “pleasure” of growing-up black in inner city New Orleans and continuing with that identity until my late 20s, I think the civil rights movement and shift to the empowerment of black Reverends (including MLK) did what slavery and Jim Crow couldn’t do, it destroyed black America (black America should have gone the Thurgood Marshal route to become mainstream Americans).
Having said way too much already, I tend to think that for humans to select a chosen “God on earth” at 2 years old and to have this “God” implement his will by unseen, unchecked men, to have this “God” live a disconnected life from reality, to watch this “God’s” followers kill with CIA furnished weapons and to have the people being supported (by China) as welfare recipients (because they haven’t developed under this “God”) is a bit too much and reminds me of black America. Furthermore, to have it’s people’s life expectancy increase from 35 to 65, to open the culture via a train from China and to bring education and individual hope to it’s people is a good thing, albeit from communist China and against “Gods little helpers” (“God” said he’s half Buddhist half Marxist)
“As for Tibet, it has belonged to China for several hundred years”
That’s a lie....pure and simple. Tibet was an independent country for most of its existence. It did not become a “part of China” till 1958 when Mao’s goons invaded and annexed the country forcibly.
I can’t believe how many FReepers are willing to believe ChiCom propaganda.
see comment above.
The infant was chosen as “God” because when the existening “God” died, his head turned East and the followers kept walking until they found “Him”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenzin_Gyatso%2C_14th_Dalai_Lama
Couldn’t agree more. The ignorance of some here is astounding. What makes it doubly so is their audacity to show it off like a medal won.
Expanded troll alert...this thread is really attracting some attention from the ChiComs and their lackeys.
It looks like the ChiCom trolls have also banded together to sow disinofrmation on this forum.
So a life span increase of 35 to 65 years is a good thing, even if one is living in a prison? Why don’t the Tibetans get to choose their government? You seem to be against this. If I didn’t know better, I would say you are a PRC plant sowing misinformation, as there are many of them.
Qin wouldn't know a noble idea if it slapped him up against his stupid commie head. His "beautiful aspirations" are of a select party few living off the backs of the rest of his countrymen while they are forced to work at the point of a gun.
Buddhists do not believe in a “God”.....at least get the basics correct.
So I suppose your thoughts on freedom somewhat mirror that? If the rest of America turned commie all except for Texas, then by your logic Texas should also go commie.
You’re making a fool of yourself on this thread. But that’s a good thing - at least the authorship of your pro-ChiCom posts will be recognized readily in the future.
re: Texas. Texas wanted to be no part of Mexico, not even the native Tejanos in Texas wanted to be a part of Mexico. It was an independent country that voted for annexation 10 years after independence. Texas wasn’t violently annexed.
Re: Tibet was a part of China for hundreds of years, but the Tibetians are ethnically and culturally distinct from the Chinese. They had a right to declare independence, which they did in the 1910’s, and they had their independence robbed from them by Mao.
Who might that be? When I met the Lama he was surrounded by Tibetans. You obviously know little about the philosophy and preachings of the Lama.
In my 3.5 years on FR, I've never been personally attacked. But being as though you haven't been here for a year, I'll assume your learning the ropes and will thus reframe from a counter attack.
Brainwashed people believe in whatever you want them to believe in.
“As for Tibet, it has belonged to China for several hundred years”
That’s a lie....pure and simple. Tibet was an independent country for most of its existence. It did not become a “part of China” till 1958 when Mao’s goons invaded and annexed the country forcibly.
No, that's a fact, Jack! Tibet has been a part of China since the Yuan Dyansty in 1246 and remained that way until the fall of the Qing empire in 1911. It was during that time and the Civil War that Tibet declared "Independence".
FYI, it was 1950 when the Chinese started reasserting control over Tibet. It was 1959 when the Dalai Lama fled Tibet. I can’t believe how many FReepers are willing to believe ChiCom propaganda. It's not Chinese propaganda, it's HISTORY. Learn it.
Source? I agree about the need to learn history - only not from a ChiCom tool like you.
I am not attacking you; am merely pointing out the facts.
First you say that Tibetans have a God to worship. Then, when challenged, you claim they are brainwashed.
Some people deserve reproach; in my estimation you are one of them for sowing misinformation, and I belive knowingly so.
If you can give me facts, good sources, good historical references, first hand videos (youtube) and even your analysis based on your life experiences, knowledge and observations, then I will gladly call myself a fool and I'll say that you have enlightened me.
Re: It’s not Chinese propaganda, it’s HISTORY.
If that’s the case, then it shouldn’t be too difficult to come up with some links now, should it?
Source? I agree about the need to learn history - only not from a ChiCom tool like you.
Please read comment #40.
In January 1913 a bilateral treaty was signed between Tibet and Mongolia at Urga. In that treaty both countries declared themselves free and separate from China.
The Thirteenth Dalai Lama, having returned from India i.n January 1913, issued a formal declaration of the complete independence of Tibet, dated the eighth day of the first month of the Water-Ox year (March 1913). The document also clarified:
“Now the Chinese intention of colonising Tibet under the patron-priest relationship has faded like a rainbow in the sky”.
The Thirteenth Dalai Lama started international relations, introduced modern postal and telegraph services and, despite the turbulent period in which he ruled, introduced measures to modernise Tibet. On December 17, 1933 he passed away.
The following year a Chinese mission arrived in Lhasa to offer condolences, but in fact they tried to settle the Sino-Tibetan border issue. After the chief delegate left, another Chinese delegate remained to continue discussions. The Chinese delegation was permitted to remain in Lhasa on the same footing as the Nepalese and Indian representatives until he was expelled in 1949.
In September 1949, Communist China, without any provocation, invaded Eastern Tibet and captured Chamdo, the headquarters of the Governor of Eastern Tibet. On November 11, 1950, the Tibetan Government protested to the United Nations Organisation against the Chinese aggression. Although El Salvador raised the question, the Steering Committee of the General Assembly moved to postpone the issue.
On November 17, 1950, His Holiness the Fourteenth Dalai Lama assumed full spiritual and temporal powers as the Head of State because of the grave crisis facing the country, although he was barely sixteen years old. On May 23, 1951 a Tibetan delegation, which had gone to Peking to hold talks on the invasion, was forced to sign the so-called “17-point Agreement on Measures for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet”, with threats of more military action in Tibet and by forging the official seals of Tibet.
The Chinese then used this document to carry out their plans to turn Tibet into a colony of China disregarding the strong resistance by the Tibetan people. What is more, the Chinese violated every article of this unequal ‘treaty’ which they had imposed on the Tibetans.
On September 9, 1951 thousands of Chinese troops marched into Lhasa. The forcible occupation of Tibet was marked by systematic destruction of monasteries, suppression of religion, denial of political freedom, widespread arrests and imprisonment and massacre of innocent men, women and children.
On March 10, 1959 the nation-wide Tibetan resistance culminated in the Tibetan National Uprising against the Chinese in Lhasa. The Chinese retaliated with a ruthlessness unknown to the Tibetans. Thousands of men, women and children were massacred in the streets and many more imprisoned and deported. Monks and nuns were a prime target. Monasteries and temples were shelled.
On March 17, 1959 the Dalai Lama left Lhasa and escaped from the pursuing Chinese to seek political asylum in India. He was followed by unprecedented exodus of Tibetans into exile. Never before in their history had so many Tibetans been forced to leave their homeland under such difficult circumstances. There are now more than one hundred thousand Tibetan refugees all over the world.
It has been almost 40 years since Chinese occupied Tibet and the destruction of a unique
Culture is still going on Tibet, yet the world has not come in aid of Tibet, only lip service.
http://www.friends-of-tibet.org.nz/tibet.html
Your opinion of me doesn’t matter in the slightest considering that YOU are in favor of genocide, forced abortions, and ethnic cleansing by the ChiComs.
I am not looking for praise from the ChiComs and their lackeys. If you praised me on this topic, I would be very fearful about what I did wrong.
Do you have links or should I just proceed to nonsensicalhistorybyDrMarten.com?
Re: It’s not Chinese propaganda, it’s HISTORY.
If that’s the case, then it shouldn’t be too difficult to come up with some links now, should it?
No, probably not. But my knowledge of history comes from textbooks, not the internet. If you want links, I'm sure you can Google the information you're looking for.
After the Mongol Köden took control of the Kokonor region in 1239, he sent his general, Doorda Darqan, on a reconnaissance mission into Tibet in 1240 to investigate the possibility of attacking Song China from the west. During this expedition the Kadampa monasteries of Rwa-sgreng and Rgyal-lha-khang were burned and 500 people were killed. The death of Ögödei the Mongol Qaghan in 1241 brought Mongol military activity around the world temporarily to a halt. Mongol interests in Tibet resumed in 1244 when Köden sent an invitation to Bengali scholar Sakya Pandit'ta, the leader of the Sakya sect, to come to his capital and formally surrender Tibet to the Mongols. Sakya Pandi'ta arrived in Kokonor with his two nephews Drogön Chögyal Phagpa ('Phags-pa; 1235-80) and Chana Dorje (Phyag-na Rdo-rje; 1239-67) in 1246. This event marks the incorporation of Tibet into China, according to modern Chinese historians.[citation needed] Pro-Tibetan historians argue that China and Tibet remained two separate units within the Mongol Empire.[citation needed] It may be more accurate, however, to characterize this as both China and Tibet being incorporated into the Mongol Empire, which became known as the Yuan Dynasty. During the Yuan Dynasty, the Mongolians conquered China. The Han Chinese was discriminated against that the Mongol Khubilai employed only Tibetans, Uyghurs, and other non-Chinese foreigners to rule over the majority—-the Han Chinese. In a delicate balance aimed at ruling both territories while preserving Mongol identity, Khubilai prohibited Mongols from marrying Chinese, but left both the Chinese and Tibetan legal and administrative systems intact.[43] Tibet never adopted the Chinese system of exams nor Neo-Confucian policies.
“BTW, I thought name calling was a liberal tactic?”
I wasn’t aware that you consider genocide and ethnic cleansing to be conservative/American ideal. So, spare me this nonsense about “liberal tactics.”
If anything, your friends, the ChiComs, are much closer to liberal thought than any other ideology.
Sorry, but wikipedia’s reliability is suspect, especially with China employing many people on computers within the country to spread misinformation.
In January 1913 a bilateral treaty was signed between Tibet and Mongolia at Urga. In that treaty both countries declared themselves free and separate from China.
The Thirteenth Dalai Lama, having returned from India i.n January 1913, issued a formal declaration of the complete independence of Tibet, dated the eighth day of the first month of the Water-Ox year (March 1913). The document also clarified:
“Now the Chinese intention of colonising Tibet under the patron-priest relationship has faded like a rainbow in the sky”.
The Thirteenth Dalai Lama started international relations, introduced modern postal and telegraph services and, despite the turbulent period in which he ruled, introduced measures to modernise Tibet. On December 17, 1933 he passed away.
The following year a Chinese mission arrived in Lhasa to offer condolences, but in fact they tried to settle the Sino-Tibetan border issue. After the chief delegate left, another Chinese delegate remained to continue discussions. The Chinese delegation was permitted to remain in Lhasa on the same footing as the Nepalese and Indian representatives until he was expelled in 1949.
In September 1949, Communist China, without any provocation, invaded Eastern Tibet and captured Chamdo, the headquarters of the Governor of Eastern Tibet. On November 11, 1950, the Tibetan Government protested to the United Nations Organisation against the Chinese aggression. Although El Salvador raised the question, the Steering Committee of the General Assembly moved to postpone the issue.
On November 17, 1950, His Holiness the Fourteenth Dalai Lama assumed full spiritual and temporal powers as the Head of State because of the grave crisis facing the country, although he was barely sixteen years old. On May 23, 1951 a Tibetan delegation, which had gone to Peking to hold talks on the invasion, was forced to sign the so-called “17-point Agreement on Measures for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet”, with threats of more military action in Tibet and by forging the official seals of Tibet.
The Chinese then used this document to carry out their plans to turn Tibet into a colony of China disregarding the strong resistance by the Tibetan people. What is more, the Chinese violated every article of this unequal ‘treaty’ which they had imposed on the Tibetans.
On September 9, 1951 thousands of Chinese troops marched into Lhasa. The forcible occupation of Tibet was marked by systematic destruction of monasteries, suppression of religion, denial of political freedom, widespread arrests and imprisonment and massacre of innocent men, women and children.
On March 10, 1959 the nation-wide Tibetan resistance culminated in the Tibetan National Uprising against the Chinese in Lhasa. The Chinese retaliated with a ruthlessness unknown to the Tibetans. Thousands of men, women and children were massacred in the streets and many more imprisoned and deported. Monks and nuns were a prime target. Monasteries and temples were shelled.
On March 17, 1959 the Dalai Lama left Lhasa and escaped from the pursuing Chinese to seek political asylum in India. He was followed by unprecedented exodus of Tibetans into exile. Never before in their history had so many Tibetans been forced to leave their homeland under such difficult circumstances. There are now more than one hundred thousand Tibetan refugees all over the world.
It has been almost 40 years since Chinese occupied Tibet and the destruction of a unique
Culture is still going on Tibet, yet the world has not come in aid of Tibet, only lip service.
http://www.friends-of-tibet.org.nz/tibet.html
The same source also mentions that prior to the Mongol conquest, Tibet was always an independent country. After the Mongol conquest, they were both ruled by the Mongols as “colonies” or protectorates as the case might be.
Your argument is akin to the Canadians claiming control over the USA because both countries were ruled by the same colonial power a while ago....LOL
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