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Gun debate plays out at Mount Rainier National Park
The News-Tribune (WA) ^ | 3/27/08 | JEFFREY P. MAYOR

Posted on 03/27/2008 1:37:15 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim

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1 posted on 03/27/2008 1:37:16 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Where in the 2nd Amendment did it specify a location?


2 posted on 03/27/2008 1:39:39 PM PDT by edcoil (Go Great in 08 ... Slide into 09)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Here’s a newsflash; criminals don’t care about rules against carrying guns on park lands or anywhere else.


3 posted on 03/27/2008 1:45:00 PM PDT by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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To: edcoil
Where in the 2nd Amendment did it specify a location?

It's part of a "living document", remember? It therefore means whatever a panel of unelected, ABA approved judges say it means. [/sarc]

4 posted on 03/27/2008 1:46:26 PM PDT by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

There’a always a reason why our constitution is full of —— when you’re a leftist. Of course that’s until you want to advocate for the overthrow of the U.S. Government, and then it’s a sacred document handed down by saints.

Second Amendment, why those slave owning bastards!


5 posted on 03/27/2008 1:47:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (New Europe, John Benedict Arnold McCain's bridge to 07/03/1776. Not even our past is safe.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Paynter just sees no need for guns in the parks, even though her husband wears a gun as a police detective.

Good for me, but not for thee! People like her should have this sort of "doublethink" hypocrisy thrown in their face all the time. And as a "daddy" type, I am so through listening to "mommy" types as a source of morality or wisdom.

6 posted on 03/27/2008 1:57:51 PM PDT by Clock King (Bring the noise!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
I need to take some of these guys and gals to Big Bend NP. for a little camping in the back country.

See if they think they might need a weapon when our tent is surrounded by Javalina or a Mountain Lion.

7 posted on 03/27/2008 2:08:42 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: wolfcreek

Or the dozens of illegals that traverse the park area.


8 posted on 03/27/2008 2:10:17 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: DoughtyOne
IN Alaska, you are allowed pistols in national parks, maybe they just don't enforce the law here though. Actually, most fed park people here are ok and not confrontational; at least here at Yukon Charlie. I've always gotten along with them pretty well. They have enough to worry about from their own higher ups in park service trying to get them fired for this or that.

We did have one guy about 20 years back that stirred everything up, he was transferred before someone fed him to the bear. Ever since the park service treats the community with kid gloves, honestly.

We still have a bunch of old retired gold miners who hate them and fight any proposal they put forth. We have a tourist boat (holland america) that brings a boat load of tourists here for 2 hr tour all summer long. H.A. employs at least 30 locals of the 100 in this economically depressed river community. All the beggars here complain how H.A. doesn't do enough for community????? So last year Park Service & Holland America were getting a grant to build nice new visitors center. Entire community was against it, said it would change their lifestyle, so it never happened. They'll build it in some other community downriver. I never figured that one out.

I'm sure you have some gun ho park rangers but you also have alot of good ones too that look the otherway everytime.

9 posted on 03/27/2008 2:11:52 PM PDT by Eska
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To: kiriath_jearim
Rangers, who carry weapons and wear body armor, get 40 hours of refresher firearms training a year.

If the park is so peaceful and tranquil, why the body armor, or for that matter, why the weapons?

10 posted on 03/27/2008 2:14:30 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: edcoil
Where in the 2nd Amendment did it specify a location?

Good point.

From article: Greg Shimek of Lakewood is a gun collector. He has donated money to defend the right of people to carry firearms, but he doesn’t think that right includes places like Mount Rainier.

So we gotta gun collector who doesn't like people carrying guns in "places like Mount Rainier." What is wrong with this picture? How about the 2nd Amendment and the right to protect yourself against man and beast(s)?

11 posted on 03/27/2008 2:23:11 PM PDT by vox_freedom (John 16:2 yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Right, I forgot that point. Although those Javalina are pretty scary.


12 posted on 03/27/2008 2:23:55 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Eska

I don’t know any park rangers down here. My take on it is that those ranks would be a very ripe pick for those who are nearly insane when it comes to the environment. Along with that world view comes the anti-gun baggage.

I’ll be the first to acknowledge I may be off base with those comments. It’s just that I have watched how rabid most concerns have become that have anything at all to do with the environment.

I like protecting nature to a certain extent. I don’t like people verging on mental illness over it.


13 posted on 03/27/2008 2:25:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (New Europe, John Benedict Arnold McCain's bridge to 07/03/1776. Not even our past is safe.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

“splits local residents like the icy fissures that crease the flanks of Mount Rainier”

Please tell me this reporter volunteers and does not get paid to write.


14 posted on 03/27/2008 2:26:21 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: DoughtyOne
We have luv the wolves people in the F&G here in Ak, so prob in park service too. I've just run into the normal ones I guess.

2 park rangers back, the ranger had to rescue green peace people down river. He hated them as much as any of us do.

15 posted on 03/27/2008 2:42:00 PM PDT by Eska
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To: kiriath_jearim

“But such crimes are rare, said park officials.”

Tell that to the murder victims. To them, the crime rate is 100% and they are forever dead. Maybe having a gun would not have helped them, but involuntary and unilateral disarmament of people is stupid and criminal.


16 posted on 03/27/2008 2:43:10 PM PDT by Harvey105
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To: Eska

I would suspect your ‘appointments’ up there wouldn’t be as easily persued as the plum spots down here are. There’s a certain rugged ‘type’ that needs to fill your positions. Perhaps that’s somewhat off base, but I would suspect the real problem candidates would seek lower 48 state appointments.

I’m glad to hear you still have some reasoned folks doing the work up there. And I might be surprised at the ones down here too. What with all the activists these days, I’m just somewhat skeptical.


17 posted on 03/27/2008 2:47:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (New Europe, John Benedict Arnold McCain's bridge to 07/03/1776. Not even our past is safe.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

“...47 U.S. senators asked Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne to revise existing laws to allow park visitor to carry firearms in the parks when allowed by state law.”

Why do 47 senators need to ask some federal fascist bureaucrat to change a law?

I guess our elected lawmakers don’t write law anymore. And where does it say in the constitution that unelected bureaucrats can write law? Guess that’s missing in my copy. Well, sieg heil, everyone, the fascist functionaries have taken over.


18 posted on 03/27/2008 3:31:13 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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19 posted on 03/27/2008 8:44:56 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: edcoil

It should apply doubly to national parks given they are federal not state property.


20 posted on 03/27/2008 8:51:57 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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