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Police say pizza deliveryman who shot robber had gun permit (IA)
Radio Iowa ^ | March 28, 2008 | Pat Curtis

Posted on 03/28/2008 6:16:12 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

Des Moines police say a pizza deliveryman, who shot a would-be robber, has a valid gun permit. Sergeant Vince Valdez says the incident unfolded last night on the city's south side. The pizza deliveryman, identified as 38-year-old James Spiers, was confronted by a man with a gun as he entered an apartment building.

Valdez says Spiers has legal authority to carry a concealed weapon and used his gun to defend himself. The suspect in the case, 19-year-old Kenneth Jimmerson, is accused of placing a gun to Spiers' head and robbing him of cash.

"But, Mr. Spiers reacted quickly, grabbed the gun hand of the suspect and was able to pull his own gun out at the same time and fire some shots," Valdez said. Jimmerson was hit twice by the gunfire. At that point, Spiers called police.

Jimmerson, who's charged with first-degree robbery, is listed in serious condition at a Des Moines hospital. Spiers does not face charges in the case, but has been suspended from his job at Pizza Hut. The restaurant prohibits it's employees from carrying weapons.

Valdez says a gun isn't a tool of the trade for a pizza delivery person, but in this case, it may have saved Spiers' life. Jimmerson's girlfriend, 18-year-old Melanie Stout, is charged with conspiracy to commit robbery. Valdez says Stout placed the order for the pizza.


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What kind of morons suspend the man for defending himself? You can't pay any pizza delivery driver enough to make him go defenseless. People should write to Pizza Hut about this. Incidentally, this makes twenty pizza delivery self-defense shootings.

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1 posted on 03/28/2008 6:16:19 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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2 posted on 03/28/2008 6:17:06 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Gun-free zones aren't. Visit ConcealedCampus.com for more)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

PizzaHut fired the guy? If I were a pizza restaurateur, I’d hire the guy in a heartbeat. And I’d advertise: “We’re packin’!”


3 posted on 03/28/2008 6:21:01 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (As government expands, liberty contracts. Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Police complain “quit doing our jobs, next thing you know cities will have automated ticketing systems and we’ll be out of work!”


4 posted on 03/28/2008 6:21:42 PM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Obama)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
PizzaHut fired the guy? If I were a pizza restaurateur, I’d hire the guy in a heartbeat. And I’d advertise: “We’re packin’!”

Only problem with that: you remember the joke about 'call police, ambulance, and pizza, and see who arrives first'? What happens when people who are being robbed decide their best bet is to call for pizza?

5 posted on 03/28/2008 6:22:48 PM PDT by supercat
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I guess Pizza Nut would rather see its employees dead than armed. Dominoes, here I come!


6 posted on 03/28/2008 6:23:31 PM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Such a lovely society we’ve become when pizza delivery guys doing their job to scrape up some honest buck$ have to face deviant dangerous thugs nationwide. Any creep caught stealing or similar should have ALL his assets seized and later forced to repay victims 3 fold what they stole and death penalty for murder.


7 posted on 03/28/2008 6:24:42 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

gundefense.net bump


8 posted on 03/28/2008 6:25:13 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (What do you call 2 toddlers and some duct tape??........muslim body armor!!!!!!!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Typical. Pizza Hut suspends the guy for defending his life. Dude, you’re a hero and you’re alive. Good job. F Pizza Hut.


9 posted on 03/28/2008 6:25:14 PM PDT by Sender (Stop Islamisation. Defend our freedom.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Did the thug have a gun permit? I can’t find it anywhere in the article. I’m sure it’s just an oversight. Morons.....


10 posted on 03/28/2008 6:25:39 PM PDT by Niteranger68 (If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The restaurant prohibits it's employees from carrying weapons.

That's fine. Write him up for breaking a rule. But the guy is driving around with pizza money all night and he has every right to defend himself. He was carrying legally, and the end result was a benefit to society.

Pizza Hut will be hearing from me on this. He should be the employee of the year.

11 posted on 03/28/2008 6:26:21 PM PDT by Paul Heinzman (I'm going to turn out the lights for 5 seconds and then my tagline better be back.)
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To: Tabi Katz

Dominoes would fire the guy too. It’s the insurance companies that DICTATE policy. The liability premiums are much higher even if they will write your business, unless you enforce a written policy against armed staff.


12 posted on 03/28/2008 6:26:47 PM PDT by George from New England (really from Tampa Bay)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

To heck with that lousy job delivering pizza .... the company obviously would rather an employee be killed than a lawsuit by the thug who was robbing him. Time to quit the PIzza Hut habit. Who needs to support that company.


13 posted on 03/28/2008 6:27:04 PM PDT by tioga
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Pizza Hut makes lousy policy, and guess what lousy pizza.


14 posted on 03/28/2008 6:27:14 PM PDT by TUX
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To: Cap'n Crunch

Ya want some extra cheese on that punk !......:o)


15 posted on 03/28/2008 6:27:24 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

REMEMBER, CITIZENS: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A GOVERNMENT ISSUED PERMIT, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DEFEND YOURSELF!!!!


16 posted on 03/28/2008 6:28:44 PM PDT by BorisTheBulletDodger (</sarcasm is NEVER off>)
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To: supercat
Only problem with that: you remember the joke about 'call police, ambulance, and pizza, and see who arrives first'? What happens when people who are being robbed decide their best bet is to call for pizza?

Then "Pizza's gonna send out for YOU!"


17 posted on 03/28/2008 6:29:31 PM PDT by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

The pizza guy is very lucky he was just fired and that he wasn’t arrested and charged. That’s just the way things are today.


18 posted on 03/28/2008 6:29:58 PM PDT by detective
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Valdez says Spiers has legal authority to carry a concealed weapon and used his gun to defend himself.

I don't even know where to start with this one

19 posted on 03/28/2008 6:31:26 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama 9-11-01?)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The restaurant prohibits it's employees from carrying weapons.

If a company cannot guarantee the safety of its employees, and it won't allow its employees to guarantee their own safety while on the job...

What's that called again???

Answer: Invitation for employees to get mugged while working.

Sounds kind of like Clinton's policy for foreign aid deliveries...

20 posted on 03/28/2008 6:31:55 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Paul Heinzman; EdReform; Ladysmith; Petruchio; PeterPrinciple; alpha-8-25-02; F.J. Mitchell; ...

There are currently FIVE HUNDRED NINETY-NINE members on the armed citizen list. Some are no longer active, some, like our friend GrandEagle, have “fallen asleep.” But if even two hundred of us wrote to Pizza Hut about this, it might mean something. I will set the example and write to them. Here’s the link:

http://www.pizzahut.com/contactus/contactlanding.aspx

Please, don’t insult their pizza or anything. Just tell them Mr. Spiers had the right and authority to carry legally, and to protect his life, and Pizza Hut should not discourage that. And I’m sure it will help if you tell them you’re switching to Domino’s/Papa Johns/Little Caeser’s!


21 posted on 03/28/2008 6:32:02 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Gun-free zones aren't. Visit ConcealedCampus.com for more)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Pizza Hut set conditions of employment, the driver agreed. he broke the contract and was fired.

Pizza Hut’s policy is stupid. The driver was correct in disobeying the terms of employment and must suffer the consequences. He’s still alive and can get another job. With this incident on his resume it should be easy for him to find one. Like others here have already mentioned, I’d hire him in a minute.


22 posted on 03/28/2008 6:32:22 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Did he ask “What do you want on your tombstone?” Oh wait, wrong pizza...


23 posted on 03/28/2008 6:32:44 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Senator McCain, what did GWB promise you back in 2000? And you believed him? BWAHAAAAA!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Don’t be surprized if the perp’s family hires a lawyer and sues pizza hut and the delivery man.


24 posted on 03/28/2008 6:32:47 PM PDT by detective
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Pizza delivery folks should be ISSUED firearms by their employers.


25 posted on 03/28/2008 6:33:05 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: DaveLoneRanger

If I was hiring in that town, and needed a man who could take care of himself -— I’d be looking this guy up.


26 posted on 03/28/2008 6:33:32 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Graybeard58

“Pizza Hut’s policy is stupid. The driver was correct in disobeying the terms of employment and must suffer the consequences. He’s still alive and can get another job. With this incident on his resume it should be easy for him to find one. Like others here have already mentioned, I’d hire him in a minute.”

McCain voter eh? No one can take away your right to self defense.


27 posted on 03/28/2008 6:36:27 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama 9-11-01?)
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To: Sender
Typical. Pizza Hut suspends the guy for defending his life.

Companies are usually forced to set up rules like this by their insurance companies. What's needed are laws at the state level preventing suits from being filed by anyone for self-defense actions by employees.

28 posted on 03/28/2008 6:37:44 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Ok, isn’t this great. You can’t shoot someone to save your life unless you have permit to do something the constitution gives you the right to do anyway, I.E.:carry a firearm. What a bunch of a**hats.


29 posted on 03/28/2008 6:39:57 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Graybeard58

Sorry...feeling a bit snarky tonight. Just seemed like you were playing both sides...|;^)


30 posted on 03/28/2008 6:42:14 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama 9-11-01?)
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To: calex59; All

Here’s what I wrote:

I am writing regarding the suspension of James Spiers, an employee in Des Moines, Iowa. His suspension follows his lawful use of a firearm to defend himself against a life-threatening situation. He is licensed by the state to carry the weapon defensively, and can reasonably expect to encounter threats in a job such as his. In accordance with a respect for the right to defense of life, and with state laws, I feel Pizza Hut is obligated to revisit its policy on weapon carry. Perhaps a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy would be best, or only allow individuals with the proper credentials to carry, just as the state does. In any event, it is shameful and disrespectful to suspend or fire a person for defending his life.


31 posted on 03/28/2008 6:43:55 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Gun-free zones aren't. Visit ConcealedCampus.com for more)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I started to compose my e-mail, but I reckon the FReeper outrage broke their server. I'll keep trying. I will also write a good old fashioned paper letter to their management. They better give this guy his job back. On any given weekend I have three to ten teenagers occupying my basement. We LOVE Pizza Hut pizza, but I'll drop them like a bad habit if they don't stand up behind this guy.

Please add me to you armed citizen ping list, Dave. Currently I'm only armed with one fist of iron and another of steel, but they have served me well, but I'm thinking of expanding my arsenal.

32 posted on 03/28/2008 6:48:37 PM PDT by Paul Heinzman (I'm going to turn out the lights for 5 seconds and then my tagline better be back.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The restaurant prohibits it's its employees from carrying weapons.

Pizza Hut has a bad policy and the author has a bad editor. But I fixed it for him. The intended victim may have lost his job, but he kept something much more important...his life.

33 posted on 03/28/2008 6:48:45 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
McCain voter eh? No one can take away your right to self defense.

Can and do. Whether anyone should be able to is another matter. I live in Illinois, I know.

Your remark about "McCain voter", doesn't even rate a comment, it also falls into the category of stupid.

34 posted on 03/28/2008 6:49:36 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

“What kind of morons suspend the man for defending himself?’

They got to or every perp that gets a belly full of lead will sue for 20 million.

Don’t worry about it. It’s a game they all play because they have to.


35 posted on 03/28/2008 6:50:12 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I remember getting food poisoning from Pizza Hut twice within a few few weeks back in the early 80’s. That was the last time I went to a Pizza Hut. Your local Mom and Pop shops have much better pizza.
36 posted on 03/28/2008 6:50:51 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Then disregard my "stupid remark". I'm all outta sorts too.
37 posted on 03/28/2008 6:51:04 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: BorisTheBulletDodger
REMEMBER, CITIZENS: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A GOVERNMENT ISSUED PERMIT, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DEFEND YOURSELF!!!!

You forgot the disclaimer...Not applicable in Alaska or Vermont.

38 posted on 03/28/2008 6:52:31 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: AlaskaErik

“Your local Mom and Pop shops have much better pizza.’

And also known for their strict adherence to food safety principles.

(Most mom and pops wouldn’t know the difference between salamonella and a salmon salad.)


39 posted on 03/28/2008 6:52:43 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Las Vegas Ron
("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama 9-11-01?)

Sounds more like Admiral Yamamoto after Pearl Harbor.

40 posted on 03/28/2008 6:55:02 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

You have mail and my apology.


41 posted on 03/28/2008 6:55:16 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: George from New England
“Dominoes would fire the guy too. It’s the insurance companies that DICTATE policy. The liability premiums are much higher even if they will write your business, unless you enforce a written policy against armed staff.”

This has all been pushed by the anti-freedom types who have propagated the myth that you are safer unarmed.

Those that force disarmament of others should bear the legal consequences when the others are injured because of the disarmers actions.

42 posted on 03/28/2008 6:56:40 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: George from New England
“Dominoes would fire the guy too. It’s the insurance companies that DICTATE policy. The liability premiums are much higher even if they will write your business, unless you enforce a written policy against armed staff.”

This has all been pushed by the anti-freedom types who have propagated the myth that you are safer unarmed.

Those that force disarmament of others should bear the legal consequences when the others are injured because of the disarmers actions.

43 posted on 03/28/2008 6:58:37 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Here’s what I wrote:

Here's what I wrote:

You stupid f&%#@ng morons!!!What piece of Sh#%t wrote your asinine life threatening policy!! What were you A$$holes thinking!! I guess you all drink you're own urine in the morning to replace the brain fluid in your leaking heads!

I could go on....but I gotta go and heat up some Pizza Bites in the microwave.

44 posted on 03/28/2008 7:01:49 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Doomage on you)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Here’s what I wrote:

Here's what I wrote:

You stupid f&%#@ng morons!!!What piece of Sh#%t wrote your asinine life threatening policy!! What were you A$$holes thinking!! I guess you all drink you're own urine in the morning to replace the brain fluid in your leaking heads!

I could go on....but I gotta go and heat up some Pizza Bites in the microwave.

45 posted on 03/28/2008 7:02:11 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Doomage on you)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

In today’s society, this criminal already has a lawyer willing to sue Pizza Hut (and it’s deep pockets) for the injury suffered.

No, it’s not just, but you know it’s true. And it will go to court if they don’t settle first.


46 posted on 03/28/2008 7:03:11 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Every time a pizza delivery man defends himself in this way, it makes would-be pizza delivery robbers more circumspect about robbing pizza delivery men. The company should reward the guy.


47 posted on 03/28/2008 7:05:15 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Polk County is a difficult place to get a carry permit. Iowa is a “may issue” state. The pizza guy would have had to apply and be investigated by the sheriff and would have to have more than “carry money” as a reason to carry. Permits are issued for one year and must be renewed to keep the right to carry. Usually, your life has to be threatened to get a carry permit in Iowa...


48 posted on 03/28/2008 7:24:06 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: AlaskaErik
("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama 9-11-01?)

"Sounds more like Admiral Yamamoto after Pearl Harbor".

You are correct!! Did you not see the question mark?

The point is, unfortunatly, we as a Country, do not have what it takes to fight our present enemy...no resolve>

I've been in this forum for about two years now and you are the first to comment on my tag line...

49 posted on 03/28/2008 7:24:45 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama 9-11-01?)
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To: George from New England
Dominoes would fire the guy too. It’s the insurance companies that DICTATE policy. The liability premiums are much higher even if they will write your business, unless you enforce a written policy against armed staff.

In that case, I hope the outcry from angry (former) consumers will be strong enough offset the idiotic "Thou shalt be a victim" policy dictated by insurance writers. I know it's not likely to happen so long as the courts continue to turn gutless thugs into multi-millionaires the minute they cry injury, but having their delivery people gunned down on the street is not exactly good for business either.

50 posted on 03/28/2008 7:27:46 PM PDT by Tabi Katz
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