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Guns, Fear, the Constitution, and the Public's Health (Barf Alert!!!)
The New England Journal of Medicine ^ | March 19, 2008 | Garen J. Wintemute, M.D., M.P.H.

Posted on 03/30/2008 8:07:31 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 03/30/2008 8:07:34 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

NEJM, stick to the diagnosis and treatment of diseases and injuries.


2 posted on 03/30/2008 8:10:52 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: neverdem

I wonder if these jugheads ever wrote an article about all the diseases being brought into this country by illegal aliens (FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD) sneaking across our borders. Probably not.


3 posted on 03/30/2008 8:17:07 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (How many more "scientists and researchers" can the taxpayers afford to support with Federal grants?)
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To: neverdem

Their description of the incident doesn’t match my recollection. (I recall the ‘visitors’ as having been masked).


4 posted on 03/30/2008 8:17:51 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Yea I was going to say that the intro description was spun faster then a string powered top.


5 posted on 03/30/2008 8:19:25 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Domandred

I did some quick looking, and I wasn’t able to confirm the mask bit (although that is still my recollection, it may be faulty) but the guy did move aggressively toward the homeowners.


6 posted on 03/30/2008 8:26:19 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
No, you don't recall them being masked ~ you recall that it was Halloween.

The critical issue was whether or not the husband was more mentally challenged than his obviously deranged wife.

Wouldn't live next to these folks ~ imagine if the paperboy tossed your newspaper on their lawn.

Louisiana tried to change their laws in response to this sort of thing but got nowhere. Darned good reason to stay out of their residential areas ~

Now, back to the article ~ the writer has an obvious agenda and is willing to bend the truth to support it.

He doesn't want you to have guns ~ which might not be a bad idea ~ but even worse he doesn't want me to have guns! And that's none of his business. Here I am living in Virginia and we cut the murder rate in Richmond, then America's murder capital, through the simple expedient of making the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime punishable by an additional 5 years hard time in the state pen.

We cut the murder rates in communities throughout the Commonwealth by abolishing parole (to the horror of sociologists and criminologists in Europe).

The Virginia gun death rates are lower than those in DC ~ Maryland, with strict laws on gun possession, has higher rates than Virginia, but lower rates than DC.

This guy wouldn't be safe on the streets of D.C. at night, in the morning, in the afternoon, on weekends, on weekdays, and certainly not when the clubs close in the wee hours.

7 posted on 03/30/2008 8:31:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PAR35
Yes, he walked toward them. If he'd walked away from them they'd still shot him for "running away".

You are talking Louisiana here, not some normal place with normal people. And to think folks couldn't believe the number of whiners Hurricane Katrina stirred up in that place. Just overwhelming.

8 posted on 03/30/2008 8:33:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PAR35

I have a sub. to NEJM through somewhat silly nefarious means and I can say with great confidence that the majority of these articles ARE NOT MEDICAL AS MUCH AS THEY ARE POLITICAL.
The Affirmative action et. all (Black, White, Hindu, Muzzie, Mexican) crew are some of the dumbest numnuts on the planet. There is no credibility to the slant of the Journal, we are all subject to PC no matter where we go and what we do.

My son had a tick stuck in his ear curl, his Harvard Educated brainwave M.D. had to call 3 people to assure her to take it out.
She wanted to admit him to the local 3rd world Hospital (USA) and have it removed.

I finally borrowed a pair of magnifying glasses (1.0)

and helped her get it out.

Ms. Diversity was shaking so, I was afraid she was going to stab him.
I just needed some GOOD light and magnification.

BINGO.


9 posted on 03/30/2008 8:34:49 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: neverdem

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. This sawbones needs to stick to his business. Doctors and hospitals kill plenty of people on their own. I’ve watched them do it too many times.


10 posted on 03/30/2008 8:38:39 PM PDT by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: neverdem

Look at the number of people dieing from medical mistakes and tell me who should be in jail, doctors or gunowners.


11 posted on 03/30/2008 8:39:08 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Not liking my choices in this election!)
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To: MtnClimber

But they’re professionals so it’s okay to kill a few hundred thousand /s


12 posted on 03/30/2008 8:47:26 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Cacique

bump for later


13 posted on 03/30/2008 8:49:17 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: neverdem

Here we go again, gun ownership as a “public health” problem.

That’s gotten old. They need to learn a new trick.


14 posted on 03/30/2008 8:57:00 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: neverdem
schoolmates Yoshihiro Hattori and Webb Haymaker have been invited to a Halloween party

The gun-grabbing pricks ALWAYS rehash the SOS in an effort to trash our 2nd Amendment rights.

While we're re-hashing, how about another person of Japanese ancestry - Lon Horiuchi?

He was the GOVERNMENT-APPROVED jack-booted-thug prick that shot and killed Randy Weaver's unarmed wife as she was holding their young baby at the door of their house at Ruby Ridge, Idaho.

It is EXACTLY these kinds of terroristic, tyrannical violent acts upon the people by our very own government that prompted the Founding Fathers to come up with the Second in the first place - to recognize the FACT that we have a God-given RIGHT to have the MEANS to defend ourselves, repel and CHANGE such an out of control government if need be.

15 posted on 03/30/2008 8:59:35 PM PDT by DocH (hillary, hussein, and juan - what kind of choice is THAT? God help us.)
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To: acapesket
Interpreting the Right to Bear Arms ? Gun Regulation and Constitutional Law

This was in the same issue. It was remarkably balanced. They had another gun grabbing editorial, but it wasn't open access.

16 posted on 03/30/2008 9:13:28 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: muawiyah
No, you don't recall them being masked ~ you recall that it was Halloween.

But it wasn't It was almost two weeks before.

Guy in pimp suit, offsider normally dressed, demanding to party. When challenged, guy in pimp suit charges householder with gun.

Result:

17 posted on 03/30/2008 10:14:59 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (No Christian will dare say that [Genesis] must not be taken in a figurative sense. St Augustine)
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To: neverdem
Homicides rebounded in the late 1980s with the advent of "crack" cocaine, but today the District's gun-suicide rate is lower than that of any state.

no mention of DC's homicide rate, i believe it is one of the highest in the nation (higher than baghdad, as donald rumsfeld so elequently put it :))
18 posted on 03/30/2008 10:17:02 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: neverdem

Well then Dr. I guess we’ll have to do away with cars too because they kill a lot of people.


19 posted on 03/30/2008 11:02:10 PM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: PAR35
Here is the story,from Wikipedia under Yoshihiro Hattori

Fatal incident

Two months into his stay in the United States, he received an invitation along with Webb Haymaker, his homestay brother, to a Halloween party organized for Japanese exchange students on October 17, 1992. Hattori went dressed in a tuxedo in imitation of John Travolta from Saturday Night Fever. Upon their arrival in the quiet working class neighborhood where the party was held, the boys mistook the Peairs' residence for the intended destination due to the similarity of the address and the Halloween decorations on the house, and proceeded to step out of their car and walk to the front door.

Hattori and Haymaker rang the front doorbell but began to walk back to the street where Haymaker had parked receiving no response to the ring. Inside the house, however, Bonnie Peairs had peered out the side door and saw two boys whom she did not recognize. Mrs. Peairs, startled, retreated inside, locking the door, and turned to tell her husband, "Rodney, get your gun". Hattori and Haymaker were still pondering the situation as they neared their car when the carport door was opened again, this time by Mr. Peairs, armed with a stainless steel revolver, yelling "Freeze." Simultaneously, Hattori stepped towards him saying "We're here for the party," unaware of the imminent danger. Haymaker, seeing the weapon, shouted after Hattori, but in vain as Peairs had already fired his weapon and run back inside, locking the door again. Hattori was shot in the chest at close range and was still alive as Haymaker rushed to him. Haymaker ran to the home next door to the Peairs' house for help and to call for an ambulance. Neither Mr. Peairs nor his wife came out of their house until the police arrived, about 40 minutes after the shooting. Mrs. Peairs shouted to a neighbor to "go away" when the neighbor called for help. One of Peairs' children later told police that her mother asked, "Why did you shoot him?".

The shot had pierced the upper and lower lobes of Hattori's left lung, and exited through the area of the seventh rib; he died in the ambulance minutes later, from loss of blood.

20 posted on 03/31/2008 3:01:58 AM PDT by Mila
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