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Former Brighton teacher in sex case violates probation, jailed
Rocky Mountain News ^ | April 1, 2008 | David Montero

Posted on 04/01/2008 2:58:51 PM PDT by george76

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To: Fishtalk

I was just being agreeable. And sharing.


21 posted on 04/01/2008 4:23:24 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: george76

Not Guilty!!!! And apparently an nympho. I’m in love


22 posted on 04/01/2008 4:24:46 PM PDT by newbie 10-21-00
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To: george76; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
thanks george76. From the earlier story:
This is the second time in less than a year an adult at Brighton Charter High has been investigated for having an inappropriate relationship with a student.
That sounds like one hell of a charter school.
23 posted on 04/01/2008 4:26:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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To: george76

Not guilty and she should be able to collect damages.


24 posted on 04/01/2008 4:28:25 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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25 posted on 04/01/2008 4:28:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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To: rednesss

That’s what I was thinking.

Our judicial system is totally nuts to even consider such a “sentence”.


26 posted on 04/01/2008 5:01:08 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1
"Our judicial system is totally nuts to even consider such a “sentence”."

I believe the justice system has un-constitutionally delegated its powers to a bunch of pointy-headed shrinks. Who get to drive around in shiny new German imports thanks to the forced business. Nice work if you can get it.

27 posted on 04/01/2008 5:06:37 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: rednesss
Dear rednesss,

As a condition for parole or probation, sex offenders usually must submit to rigorous courses of psychotherapy, restrictions on their lives, and regular polygraphs.

For a subset of sex offenders, strict treatment with very strict rules for life conduct has been found to reduce recidivism.

For folks offered parole under these conditions, the choice is to accept these conditions or go to (or stay in) jail.


sitetest

28 posted on 04/01/2008 5:13:00 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: george76
NOT GUILTY!!!!!

NO WAY!!!!!

29 posted on 04/01/2008 5:20:38 PM PDT by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: sitetest
"For a subset of sex offenders, strict treatment with very strict rules for life conduct has been found to reduce recidivism."

You're not a pointy headed shrink are you???

From what I can garner from a quick search of the internet:

Several studies present optimistic conclusions about the effectiveness of treatment programs that are empirically based, offense-specific, and comprehensive (Lieb, Quinsey, and Berliner, 1998). The only meta-analysis of treatment outcome studies to date has found a small, yet significant treatment effect—an 8% reduction in the recidivism rate for offenders who participated in treatment (Hall, 1995).

"For folks offered parole under these conditions, the choice is to accept these conditions or go to (or stay in) jail."

Yet making their conditions of probation such that their violation of those conditions is an almost certainty doesn't seem to make much sense.

30 posted on 04/01/2008 6:46:40 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: sitetest
"For a subset of sex offenders, strict treatment with very strict rules for life conduct has been found to reduce recidivism."

You're not a pointy headed shrink are you???

From what I can garner from a quick search of the internet:

Several studies present optimistic conclusions about the effectiveness of treatment programs that are empirically based, offense-specific, and comprehensive (Lieb, Quinsey, and Berliner, 1998). The only meta-analysis of treatment outcome studies to date has found a small, yet significant treatment effect—an 8% reduction in the recidivism rate for offenders who participated in treatment (Hall, 1995).

"For folks offered parole under these conditions, the choice is to accept these conditions or go to (or stay in) jail."

Yet making their conditions of probation such that their violation of those conditions is an almost certainty doesn't seem to make much sense.

31 posted on 04/01/2008 6:46:51 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: rednesss
Dear rednesss,

“You're not a pointy headed shrink are you???”

Well, I don't know about pointy-headed, but I'm not a mental health professional. Years ago, I thought to become one, but I dropped out of grad school in 1983, and went into a technology-related field, where I've been ever since.

“Several studies present optimistic conclusions about the effectiveness of treatment programs that are empirically based, offense-specific, and comprehensive (Lieb, Quinsey, and Berliner, 1998). The only meta-analysis of treatment outcome studies to date has found a small, yet significant treatment effect—an 8% reduction in the recidivism rate for offenders who participated in treatment (Hall, 1995).”

I'm not sufficiently immersed in the field to say one way or other, but I think that there is more recent research than 1995 and 1998. I know that techniques in use have certainly been updated in that time, as have criteria on who should get the chance to participate.

“Yet making their conditions of probation such that their violation of those conditions is an almost certainty doesn't seem to make much sense.”

I don't view forbidding the use of drugs and alcohol, restrictions on personal relationships, or strict curfews as being restrictions that will almost certainly be violated. The restrictions ARE very strict, but they seem to be necessary to offer any hope of avoiding further offenses.

Frankly, many of these restrictions are based on stuff right out of AA. Obviously, substance abuse isn't permitted in AA, and new members are strongly discouraged from entering into new intimate relationships for at least six months to a year. The curfews aren't unusual for folks on probation for any range of crimes.

If folks want to lock up sex offenders forever, I understand that point of view, although I'm not sure that life in prison without parole is necessarily appropriate for every sex offender. Would anyone here lock this woman up for life? But if sex offenders are to be released eventually, then it would do well to require them to participate in intensive programs designed to avoid re-offending.


sitetest

32 posted on 04/01/2008 7:01:03 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: george76

Welcome to the Puritan Paradise, the Saudi Arabia for the Enlightened and overeducated!


33 posted on 04/01/2008 7:05:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("I am like...Dude......do you really....like want the Sex?")
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To: Fishtalk

Get a sense of humor, otherwise all you say is just fishtalk.


34 posted on 04/01/2008 8:30:46 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: george76
These threads are often somewhat amusing but this is SICK:

The sex was a violation of her probation terms because it was not reported to or approved by McCandless' treatment team.

People who would write a law or rules that would require this or who would be a member of such a "treatment team" are sick sick individuals and a far greater danger to society than this woman.
35 posted on 04/01/2008 8:38:23 PM PDT by JLS
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To: BOBTHENAILER

I have a sense of humor.

I’m laughing at YOU.


36 posted on 04/02/2008 3:27:07 AM PDT by Fishtalk
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To: Fishtalk

Awwwwwwwwwwwww. How sweet. A fish laughs at BOB.

That’s my mission....to bring truth & laughs to FR.

I’m am pleased.


37 posted on 04/02/2008 5:59:32 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

Now you ARE making me smile.

Take care and NAIL that babe, Bob.


38 posted on 04/02/2008 6:41:37 AM PDT by Fishtalk
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To: george76

NOT GUILTY!!!!!! The treatment team needs to get a life.


40 posted on 04/02/2008 5:08:55 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Checkmate Cruiser")
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