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To: Yardstick

> And let’s not forget the setting here — you’re on a patriotic American forum.

And insofar as it is possible, I am a good friend to America. But just because Americans are “Patriotic” doesn’t put you beyond criticism: and it certainly doesn’t mean that those of us who are not Americans need to acknowledge inferiority as a condition of friendship.

That was never going to work.

> As such, don’t you think it’s a little brassy of you to come on here and start making excuses for communists?

Perhaps — but it is equally inexcusable for patriotic Americans to make excuses for Nazis and their allies and sympathizers like Franco. As you will be aware we all ended up having to fight the Nazis to the finish just over half a century ago. It wouldn’t take much for them to return in some guise or another. (Islamofascism?)

Nazis may not have left a strong impression on America and Americans — I dunno. The rest of the world fought the Nazis nearly twice as long as America did, so perhaps they left a stronger impression with us.

I can assure you that many people outside the US view Nazis as being far worse than Communists. In fact, they are two sides of the same coin.

> We were locked in a cold war for 50 years with this enemy, and its ideological spinoffs continue to be an existential threat to our philosophy of liberty.

True — and in many ways that is merely an accident of history, depending upon which of the two evils we addressed first.

The Cold War would probably have still happened had we instead fought the Socialists and left the Nazis alone in Europe. Except the Cold War would have been with the Nazis and by that time they would have been a continental power, much more difficult to beat.


65 posted on 05/31/2008 5:55:59 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I'm sure you think you're a good friend to America, and compared to most of your fellow New Zealanders, you probably are. But I think you've absorbed a good dose of the anti-Americanism that's ambient down there. It would have been a miracle if you hadn't. You're probably unaware of the effects it's had on you but it's like neon to us.

I mention that this board is patriotic because it highlights the strangeness of your pissy/defensive/escalating response to our entirely predictable anger at your defense of our enemy. You could've gone to a Democrat website and they wouldn't have cared. But you chose to express these things here, knowing who you're expressing them to. You got the natural response, then you got defensive. It's just hard to feel much sympathethy towards that.

We're not asking you to acknowledge inferiority; we're asking you not to make excuses for our enemies -- or at least not in a way that's galling and quickly followed by the typical anti-American BS. Is this so hard to understand?

Fascism has been defeated. It's socialism that continues to be an ideological threat. Islamofascism is an opportunistic infection, so to speak, enabled by the weakening, demoralizing, confusing effects of the Left on our civilization.

Nazis may not have left a strong impression on America and Americans

The standard anti-American tropes come easily to you, don't they.

America left fields full of crosses fighting the Nazis. We transformed our country into an armaments factory fighting the Nazis.

What a despicable thing to say, "friend".

patriotic Americans to make excuses for Nazis

That is an odd indictment. Who has made excuses for the Nazis on this thread? Excuses for Franco, perhaps, in a realpolitik kind of way, because he was nowhere near the evil that Hitler was, and he was fighting forces loyal to Stalin. Hitler and Stalin were the great evils. Franco was not in their league.

True — and in many ways that is merely an accident of history,

All of history is an accident of history. As it happens, our continuing enemy is socialism -- and here you are on our forum making excuses for an instance of it.

71 posted on 05/31/2008 10:32:50 AM PDT by Yardstick
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