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Muslims Leaving Islam in Droves
Pajamas Media ^ | 4-3-08 | Andrew Walden

Posted on 04/04/2008 7:26:57 AM PDT by Renfield

Pope Benedict’s choice to publicly baptize the most prominent Muslim in Italy, Egyptian-born Magdi Allam, highlights a quiet worldwide exodus from Islam. In recent years, millions have moved on. With this high-profile action, Pope Benedict demonstratively blesses this massive conversion from the highest levels of the Church.

Interviewed by al-Jazeera in 2006, Ahmad al-Qataani, leader of the Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, explains the decline: Islam used to represent … Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non-Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century.

On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000.

As to how that happened, well there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed. Allam’s public baptism came just ten days after the body of Catholic Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho of Mosul, Iraq, was found in a shallow grave after being kidnapped by al-Qaeda February 29. The ceremony came just three days after an al-Qaeda tape threatening the pope and condemning cartoons of Mohammed. Muslims who convert to other religions or abandon religion entirely are subject to a standing order of death for apostasy. The baptism of Allam is an act of defiance in the face of Islamic threats.

The baptism of Allam also comes in the midst of papal “dialogue” with Muslims. The dialogue began unpromisingly with the catcalls from Islam and its secularist allies which greeted the now-famous September 20, 2006, papal address at the University of Regensburg. In October, 138 Islamic leaders presented the pope with “A Common Word Between Us and You” — nailed by critics as a craftily written call for conversion. On March 4, Pope Benedict approved formation of a permanent “Catholic-Muslim forum” scheduled to meet in November. And now he has thrown his own call for conversion into the discussion. Islam’s secularist allies were quick to echo Muslims, calling the baptism “provocative.” While accepting the Islamic death penalty for apostasy as a given, they complain the pope’s action could set back dialogue. While the secularists wring their hands, Allam writes that his mind “has been freed from the obscurantism of an ideology that legitimizes lies and deception, violent death that leads to homicide and suicide, blind submission to tyranny, permitting me to join the authentic religion of Truth, Life, and Liberty. … I realize what I am going up against but I will confront my fate with my head high, with my back straight, and the interior strength of one who is certain about his faith.”

Allam, author of numerous books and deputy editor of Milan’s Corriere della Sera, joins a list of converts from Islam which includes many other public intellectuals and millions of average people from all over the world. This is more than the normal flow between two large religious communities. Islam can point to little in the way of recent conversions. Its claim to be the world’s fastest-growing religion stems mostly from the high birth rate in Islamic countries, whose infant mortality rates have been cut by the introduction of Western medicine. Christian growth is based on adult conversion. As leading Christian evangelist Wolfgang Simpson writes, “More Muslims have come to Christ in the last two decades than in all of history.”

Although al-Qataani points to Africa, there is another phenomenon based on repulsion from Islamist dictatorship, corruption, and terrorist violence. In Iran as many as 1 million people have surreptitiously converted to Evangelical Christianity in the last five years. Pastor Hormoz Shariat claims to have converted 50,000 of them through his U.S.-based Farsi-language satellite ministry. He contrasts the upswing to the efforts of evangelical missionaries in Iran between 1830 and 1979, whose 149 years of work built a Christian community of only 3,000. One Iranian religious scholar believes youth are abandoning Islam because it is identified with the corrupt Iranian government. Now the Iranian Majlis (parliament) is debating the death penalty for conversion.

After years of al-Qaeda war on Iraq, a similar phenomenon is growing. The New York Times March 4 reports: “After almost five years of war, many young people in Iraq, exhausted by constant firsthand exposure to the violence of religious extremism, say they have grown disillusioned with religious leaders and skeptical of the faith that they preach.” A high school girl tells Times reporters: “I hate Islam and all the clerics because they limit our freedom every day and their instruction became heavy over us. Most of the girls in my high school hate that Islamic people control the authority because they don’t deserve to be rulers.” A 19-year-old man says: “The religion men are liars. Young people don’t believe them. Guys my age are not interested in religion anymore.” A Baghdad law professor explains that her students “have changed their views about religion. They started to hate religious men. They make jokes about them because they feel disgusted by them.” A 24-year-old female college student says, “I used to love Osama bin Laden. Now I hate Islam. Al-Qaeda and the Mahdi Army are spreading hatred. People are being killed for nothing.”

In southern Russia the same pattern is emerging. According to Roman Silantyev, executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia, freed from atheist control, two million Muslims converted to Christianity. Repulsed by bloody terrorist attacks, those living in areas such as Beslan have converted to Christianity in the greatest numbers of all. As many as 100,000 have converted to Christianity in post-Soviet Kyrgyzstan.

After decades of Islamist war, evangelicals report thousands of sub-rosa converts in rural areas of Kashmir. Says one churchgoer: “I am interested in this religion. I hate violence. I hate fundamentalists in Islam. I come here to seek peace.” An Indian newspaper headline reads: “Urban Muslim Youth Out to Junk Faith.” Following decades of terrorist rule, Palestinians are being quietly converted, holding in-home services to avoid detection. Says one evangelist: “I’ve been working among these people for thirty years, and I promise you I’ve never seen anything like this.”

Islam is also losing adherents in areas where Islamist harassment is heavy on the streets. The London Times estimates 15% of Muslims living in Western Europe have left Islam — 200,000 in the UK alone. Those who leave often face harassment, threats, and attack.

The mufti of Perak, Malaysia, estimates about 250,000 people have abandoned Islam, making formal application for apostasy to the state — a right allowed to Malaysian citizens who are not ethnic Malays. Says he: “This figure does not include individuals who don’t do solat, doesn’t fast and breaks [sic] all the tenets of Islam.” Borrowing from the communist playbook, Malaysia operates “reeducation camps” for any ethnic Malay found guilty of apostasy. Unsurprisingly, ethnic Malays are at the bottom of the economic ladder in Malaysia.

In a letter published in Corriere della Sera on Easter Day, Allam points out the pope “sent an explicit and revolutionary message to a church that until now has been too cautious in the conversion of Muslims … because of the fear of being unable to protect the converted who are condemned to death for apostasy. “Thousands of people in Italy have converted to Islam and practice their faith serenely. But there are also thousands of Muslims who have converted to Christianity who are forced to hide their new faith out of fear of being killed by Islamist terrorists.”

Allam describes Islam as a system for taking and holding power. Threat of violence is its enforcement mechanism. Allam also points out: “Beyond … the phenomenon of extremists and Islamist terrorism at the global level, the root of evil is inherent to a physiologically violent and historically conflictual Islam.” So it is not coincidental that Muslims are abandoning the faith as U.S. and coalition soldiers smash al-Qaeda in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. Islamist terrorists and street thugs are beginning to look impotent.

Appeasement-oriented opinion explains Islamic violence as a response to Western policy. For them, reality is incomprehensible. But in a 1998 ABC News interview with John Miller, Osama bin Laden explained his motivation: Allah had given the jihadis victory over one superpower (the USSR) and Allah would grant them victory over the other. But a decade later it is not coming to pass on the battlefield. The defeat of the Islamists puts the lie to the claim that Allah will cause the infidels to desire submission. As a result, the Islamists’ ability to intimidate their captive populations is weakened


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christianity; convert; exmuslims; islam; islamists; muslims; vatican
Plenty of embedded links at the original post.
1 posted on 04/04/2008 7:26:58 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

bump for later...


2 posted on 04/04/2008 7:31:55 AM PDT by danneskjold
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To: Renfield

Also read this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1996186/posts


3 posted on 04/04/2008 7:32:54 AM PDT by SolidWood (Obama adviser calls for 80,000 US troops to remain in Iraq through 2010.)
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To: Renfield
As a result, the Islamists’ ability to intimidate their captive populations is weakened

Will someone please tell the Europeans?

4 posted on 04/04/2008 7:33:33 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Renfield

WOW.

bflr = bump for later reading


5 posted on 04/04/2008 7:37:13 AM PDT by fishtank (Fenced BORDERS, English LANGUAGE, Patriotic CULTURE: A good plan.)
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To: Renfield

Good news! Thank you for posting this.


6 posted on 04/04/2008 7:38:55 AM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Renfield

Good news bump


7 posted on 04/04/2008 7:39:16 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Renfield
Good read. I believe once this struggle has run its course, the decision of Osama bin Ladin to bomb the World Trade Center and declare war on the U.S. will be viewed as a colossal blunder of historical proportions that finally drove the stake through the heart of radical islam.
8 posted on 04/04/2008 7:41:03 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (feh)
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To: reagan_fanatic

And it’s happening rather more quickly than we’d have expected, too.


9 posted on 04/04/2008 7:56:33 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Renfield

I sure did not know this was going on. Can these numbers really be true?


10 posted on 04/04/2008 7:58:21 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Renfield

While only Catholicism was mentioned, Anglicanism in Africa is growing as fast as it can, along with Evangelism as well as other Protestant denominations.

Ironically, by forcing a split in the Episcopal church in the US, the liberal Episcopalians forced to conservatives to become Anglican African missionary churches. But these mostly white and wealthy conservative congregations are pumping enormous amounts of money to their African Anglican Archdioceses at just the right time.

Eventually this shift is going to cause major changes in Africa, such as the abolition of slavery and Sharia law.


11 posted on 04/04/2008 8:05:15 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Renfield

AMEN. Some are finally realizing that islam is a hate filled sect, not a religion.

IMHO, is is the same as skinhead worshiping Hitler.


12 posted on 04/04/2008 8:05:25 AM PDT by wizr ("Give me liberty, or give me death." - Patrick Henry)
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To: Renfield

One of my friends is a Missionary Baptist minister and he went on a mission trip to Kenya about two years ago. While there, he witnessed six muslims convert to Christianity, including a young man from Saudi Arabia whose family will kill him (literally) if they find out about his conversion.


13 posted on 04/04/2008 8:12:47 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
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To: wizr

Maybe the numbers are declining because a 500 pounder just hit the living room or a mini gun just raked the bomb making factory.


14 posted on 04/04/2008 8:15:13 AM PDT by SFA Lumberjack
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To: Gumdrop

I am a Roman Catholic New Yorker. For at least the last 20 years whatever Catholic Church I’ve attended has had a visiting African priest during the summer months...the American Catholic Church has not been able to replace parish priests as the older ones die off but they have been very successful in recruiting priests and nuns in Africa and Asia...the Church has been doing missionary work in Africa for decades...opening hospitals and schools in remote jungles has paid off with conversions...not enough American young people are willing to dedicate their lives to God so the schools and churches have suffered here at home.


15 posted on 04/04/2008 8:18:12 AM PDT by foreshadowed at waco
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To: Renfield
It would be a good thing, if true. I'd like more evidence. I just saw an article the other day that said that Islam had just passed Christianity in the number of believers, and that the reason was the high birth rate among Muslims.

I have a close friend who is a missionary in the Muslim former republics of the Soviet Union.

16 posted on 04/04/2008 8:21:19 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Gumdrop

The original article has embedded links which lead to stories reporting these events.


17 posted on 04/04/2008 8:33:47 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

Ping for later.


18 posted on 04/04/2008 8:43:55 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

Well if you are intellectually honest and examine the facts between Christianity and Islam, it’s archeological record, it consistency in message, it’s harmony with the Old testament, predictive prophesy and the 100’s of thousands of REAL martyrs who died not for some selfish reason of hedonistic rewards in some demonic heaven but for the love of Jesus’ message it’s a no brainer. Islam is a demonstrable lie which comes str8 from Satan’s own playbook, twisting scripture, denying Christ’s divinity, adding to the scripture, advocating rape, murder, thievery and lying. I have heard some wonderful stories from Muslim converts, the main theme is “I just wanted peace in my spirit and wanted the angst and hate to stop”. Islam is dying, convulsing like other failed religions who had multitudes of adherents at one time. Have you ever heard a real good Christian apologist debate a Islamic apologist. It’s like William F Buckley debating Susan Estrich, a confused child arguing with their intellectually superior parent.

Interesting anecdotal story. We had a Muslim girl from Malaysia working as a contractor in our office. She came here to the US with the hijab, very meek and quiet. Fast forward 6 months I saw her in the elevator around xmas time, the hijab gone and a Christmas pin on her blouse. I asked her how she likes it here. She said said she loves it here, the freedom. I asked about the pin on her blouse, she sheepishly said she had been baptized and was a Christian now. I thinm if we could have 1 billion interventions with these folks and show them the truth unfettered we could convert all Muslims


19 posted on 04/04/2008 9:12:06 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: Gumdrop

yes.


20 posted on 04/04/2008 9:25:39 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: Renfield

At the time of President Reagan’s funeral I thought about all the new TV satellite dishes springing up in Iraq and wondered about the impact of such a beautiful Christian service seen for the first time.


21 posted on 04/04/2008 9:26:28 AM PDT by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: marktwain

“I just saw an article the other day that said that Islam had just passed Christianity in the number of believers, and that the reason was the high birth rate among Muslims.”

I do know that article. Re-read the last paragraph. Vatican officials stated they could verify only their own stats and relied on muslim countries for theirs....


22 posted on 04/04/2008 9:42:04 AM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: Gumdrop

Christianity is growing like wild fire in Arica. The average Christian in the future will be African.


23 posted on 04/04/2008 9:51:06 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: marktwain
It would be a good thing, if true. I'd like more evidence. I just saw an article the other day that said that Islam had just passed Christianity in the number of believers, and that the reason was the high birth rate among Muslims.

Actually, that article stated that the number of Muslims had exceeded the number of Catholics. They did not include other Christian denominations in the comparison.
24 posted on 04/04/2008 9:54:51 AM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm)
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To: marktwain
I just saw an article the other day that said that Islam had just passed Christianity in the number of believers,

That was Catholics not Christians as a whole. Source.

25 posted on 04/04/2008 9:57:35 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: fr_freak; Wyatt's Torch

Thanks for the correction. I misread. This is one of those things that I love about freerepublic.


26 posted on 04/04/2008 10:25:29 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: foreshadowed at waco

Catholic seminaries in Africa are full to bursting. Praise the Lord!


27 posted on 04/04/2008 11:00:49 AM PDT by karnage
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To: TexanToTheCore

Growing fast in China, too.


28 posted on 04/04/2008 11:02:01 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Tennessean4Bush

The Europeans are more in the grips of leftist intimidation than they are in the grips of Islamic intimidation.

I think the conversion to Christianity will have a cascading effect. The more that leave and don’t literally lose their heads, the more that will feel safe to leave, and the less the Islamists can intimidate people into staying in such an oppressive religion.


29 posted on 04/04/2008 11:03:47 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
"While only Catholicism was mentioned, Anglicanism in Africa is growing as fast as it can, along with Evangelism as well as other Protestant denominations."

don't forget China. Many estimate the underground Christian Church there to number between 100 and 200 million.

30 posted on 04/04/2008 11:06:27 AM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: TexanToTheCore

That is a good thing. Jesus was from Africa after all, although (despite Rev. Wright’s claims) not a Black man but a Semitic man.


31 posted on 04/04/2008 11:15:39 AM PDT by allmendream
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To: allmendream

Jesus was from Africa after all


Bethlehem is in Africa?


32 posted on 04/04/2008 11:37:28 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Nazareth is. That is where he was raised; Jesus was born in Bethlehem for tax reasons.


33 posted on 04/04/2008 12:54:36 PM PDT by allmendream
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To: marktwain

The news report in question only cited Islam having just past the Roman Catholic Church in the number of members because of the birth rates in Islam. But overall, when combined, the RCC, the Anglican, Evangelical Protestant, and Orthodox Churches together, Christanity is still by far the largest religion, not Islam, with well over 2 billion members.


34 posted on 04/04/2008 1:13:00 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Renfield
Now the Iranian Majlis (parliament) is debating the death penalty for conversion.

Yes, that strategy worked so well for the Roman Empire...

35 posted on 04/04/2008 1:30:08 PM PDT by COBOL2Java ("McCain is a war hero. He's also a useful idiot for the Democrats." - Mark Levin)
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To: Renfield

GOOD!


36 posted on 04/04/2008 4:03:53 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I see dead people....they're everywhere....THEY'RE VOTING!)
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To: Renfield

At the Catholic Church at my university there’s a map on the wall and you can stick a pin in the country you’re from. There was one in Saudi Arabia. There were also pins in Iran, Syria, and Jordan.

Christianity is alive in the Middle East, it’s just very covert. I pray someday the Mohammedans will convert to Christianity so that it will one day again dominate the Middle East, where it was born.


37 posted on 04/04/2008 4:08:18 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I see dead people....they're everywhere....THEY'RE VOTING!)
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To: allmendream
Nazareth is.

Nazareth is in Galilee in northern Israel. Jesus was in Africa only in his youngest years, after his parents fled from Herod the Great.

38 posted on 04/04/2008 4:20:50 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before, and will happen again!)
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To: COBOL2Java

...And yet it ended up creating more Christians because of the blood of martyrs.


39 posted on 04/04/2008 4:24:51 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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...And yet it ended up creating more Christians because of the blood of martyrs.

Exactly. Satan doesn't quite get it.

40 posted on 04/04/2008 4:27:19 PM PDT by COBOL2Java ("McCain is a war hero. He's also a useful idiot for the Democrats." - Mark Levin)
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To: Renfield

Very encouraging article. It is consistent in tone with what I have heard from missionaries. I hope the numbers are accurate.

At any rate, there is no doubt about the growth of Christianity in Africa and China.


41 posted on 04/04/2008 4:52:32 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: COBOL2Java; Renfield

Bush’s fault.

If this works, the man literally saved the world.


42 posted on 04/04/2008 7:08:45 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Renfield

“He contrasts the upswing to the efforts of evangelical missionaries in Iran between 1830 and 1979, whose 149 years of work built a Christian community of only 3,000.”

The same thing has happened in China. After about 150 years of strong missionary presence in China, missionaries were forced out as Mao’s forces arrived. My sister-in-law’s mother and parents were among those who just barely made it out. The seeds were planted, however, and now China has many, many millions of Christians despite the fact that it could cost them their lives.


43 posted on 04/04/2008 9:08:38 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Hi Stonewall - I’ve got a friend who converted. He had three days to renounce his decision before he became “infidel” status and the family disowns him.


44 posted on 04/04/2008 9:21:19 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

From what Tony told me, this guy’s father is a big muckity-muck in the Saudi government and having one of his sons converting to Christianity would have hurt his position in the government. Therefore, he or another family member probably would have killed this guy to save their family “honor”.


45 posted on 04/04/2008 9:47:51 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
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To: stainlessbanner
Just goes to show you how savage the Mohammeds truly are.

I am a Christian with an atheist for a sister. While I think she is crazier than an outhouse rat, I would not disown her. It would violate Christ's teachings.

46 posted on 04/06/2008 1:21:06 AM PDT by Prole ("Show me what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman.")
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To: Renfield; Kolokotronis; NYer

I would like to believe this, but I’ve not seen anything about this on any other media.


47 posted on 05/15/2008 8:53:54 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: pburgh01

That is fantastic!! Congratulations to the girl and thank you for sharing this with us.


48 posted on 05/15/2008 8:57:01 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: milford421; marktwain
I do know that article. Re-read the last paragraph. Vatican officials stated they could verify only their own stats and relied on muslim countries for theirs....

Good point -- many slime countries state that you can only be a citizen if you belong to the ROP (SaudiArabia, most Gulf countries, Malaysian Malays etc.)
49 posted on 05/15/2008 8:58:38 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Cronos; Renfield; Kolokotronis
I would like to believe this, but I’ve not seen anything about this on any other media.

And you won't see the media covering this story for fear of Islamic backlash. I do know of one priest in Lebanon who baptized 65 Muslims into the Catholic Church last year. But this was done quietly which is how the converts prefer.

50 posted on 05/15/2008 9:52:36 AM PDT by NYer (Jesus whom I know as my Redeemer cannot be less than God. - St. Athanasius)
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