[ExSoldier]

Actually the Bren Ten was long gone before the FBI picked up the caliber. Don Johnson used to have one on Miami Vice during the early 80s but they dumped it because of failures and a lack of spare parts. A buddy of mine was a consultant on that show. He used to loan the star his own early model S&W 45 as a backup. They'd fit a BFA (Blank Firing Adapter) so it would cycle movie blanks and rock on. The FBI were using S&W's that screwed up. The main reason for the dump of the gun was the malfunctions I mentioned although I have no doubt that some of the cadets experienced the problems you mention for the reasons you mention. Just remember recoil is a highly subjective issue! Everything is perception. So don't be so quick to judge, okay?

[Kenny Bunk]

Hep me out here.

I have fired the .45 (11.4 MM in Euro-talk) from a variety of platforms, and also the 10MM (which in American is a .40cal). The 10MM does have, shall we say, a bit "stouter" recoil. If this were to be a 100# person's first pistol, I'd say it could be a problem ... but the same might be true for the .45. Does anyone know the exact differences in ballistics between the two rounds? It seems to me the major point is that you can stack more 10MM in a magazine.

Various state police agencies used to start rookies off with .22 automatics, and when they could actually hit something on a regular basis, they would be moved on to heavier calibers. Whatever happened to that idea?

NATO obviously feels hitting something with one out of fifteen of their anemic 9MM loads is preferable to missing things with 7 rounds from a more manly weapon. Maybe after you can hit something with the 9MM, they should issue a .45 ... or at least issue real ammo for the 9MM?