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To: thackney

All fuel and food comes from the sun’s energy.
If Wang did a calculation(and it’s been done
by others) on the amount of energy gotten out of
oil, compared to what the sun put into plant and animal
tissues as well as the heat to decompose them and make
oil, they’d find a lot less btus gotten out, compared to
what went in to make oil. It is a strawman issue.
We don’t get the energy out of out steak, compared to
what sun put into it. Are we to stop eating.

Swiss- And the biggest share of that .5% ag bill is
food stamps and conservation payments, most of
which active farmers don’t get.

A word to the two campers/kampers whatever.
It is obvious you don’t know shit from shinola about
farms and the uses farm products are put to.
My post told the truth about some uses that farm
products are used for. And why do you complain about
oil being used in ethanol plants, which it isn’t,
and not complain about oil powering oil refineries.
And your letting the big money powers, one of whom
wrote this article stampede you into your silly
reactions knowing that the controversy you are
joining in with will drive up farm commodities more,
helping them and speculating friends. You are
being use das stooges...for their dirty work.....Ed


135 posted on 04/17/2008 8:55:09 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: hubel458
We don’t get the energy out of out steak, compared to what sun put into it. Are we to stop eating.

No. See if we stopped eating we would die. If we stopped burning food, we would have more to eat.

...compared to what the sun put into plant and animal tissues as well as the heat to decompose them and make oil, they’d find a lot less btus gotten out, compared to what went in to make oil.

But the sun is free so it doesn't matter how much went into making the oil. But the coal and oil used to make ethanol has to mined and be paid for.

The whole issue here is that, in a free market, we wouldn't need to do these calculations or have this argument. You could just make the ethanol and offer it on the market. Then you would either make a profit or go broke. We would not have to do all these studies to determine if it was "energy positive" or economical. We wouldn't have to debate it or vote on it because the market becomes the calculator. You either go broke or not.

138 posted on 04/17/2008 10:48:29 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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