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To: Dan Evans

Where did you get the 4.8 of US gasoline consumption figure?

Farmers don’t use gasoline they use diesel except for a few farmers with 1940’s Massy Harris tractors and their pickups. Same with the trucks and trains that transport the materials. They use diesel not gasoline.

Here is the figures on oil imports, I don’t see a farm related spike for planting or harvesting nor for the increase in the production of ethanol.

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mttimus1m.htm

The biodiesel folks believe they can provide enough biodiesel for farm use and with coal to diesel plants starting up I don’t see much need to worry about the so called need to import oil to create ethanol.

Since gasoline use is much greater than diesel use and we use home produced natural gas and biodiesel to make ethanol I don’t see much demand on oil imports to make ethanol.

I heard one study says that when the government subsidies and tax credits and the use of the military to protect the supply the true cost of gasoline per gallon is $5.

No American boy is going to die to protect the corn fields of Iowa like they are dying to protect the oil fields of the Mideast. The governor of Iowa isn’t some crazed dictator who is sponsoring terrorism with the ethanol dollars.


92 posted on 04/14/2008 3:12:43 PM PDT by Swiss
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To: Swiss

“””I want price supports stopped now.
I want ethanol subsidies stopped now.
I want ethanol mandates stopped now”””””

From blathering Dan above——He figures
that if all is stopped, ethanol will be no
more and farm products will drop. Just suppose that
would happen to Corn, wheat etc, and the good old
days prices should make a great big
drop back to 2 buck corn, 4 dollar wheat, etc.
Then what do we do,THERE IS NO SUPPORTS,as per Dan,
and low, great, everyday, rock-bottom,
don’t-you-love-em, prices that are 1/2 to 2/3 cost
of production. Farmers are such drag on society,
belong to the wrong voting block, give greenies
to hard a time, hell we don’t need
them at all..........and it don’t matter as food
is made in the backroom of the store.And of
course with farms not using their 2% of the
energy, oil prices will drop, hahah, oh wait, we
got rid of some supply so big oil has same
prices as always. Consumers who are used to
present prices of fuel won’t have no changes to get
used to, so everything is hunky-dory, haha

You monkey around like Dan’s suggestions and the
price supports to keep farms from turning into
brush,weeds,bugs, etc, and our diets consisting only
of bananas, caviar, will be 25 times as much as the
4 billion tax credit BIG OIL gets for using ethanol.
Nonsensical ideas......

Swiss- and a lot of ethanol plants are powered with
waste wood and other wastes. Wood chips for
boilers are a third of natural gas, other wastes
cheaper.And beautiful sight is a havested corn
field, with stalks/roots to rot down to replenish
the carbon and organic matter, with deer, turkey,
and geese, small critters... all feeding.Ed


93 posted on 04/14/2008 7:46:11 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: Swiss
Where did you get the 4.8 of US gasoline consumption figure?

"In the United States, ethanol is the primary biofuel in use. U.S. ethanol production now makes up about 3 percent of U.S. annual gasoline usage."

Biofuels Coming Online:

That was written in July 2006 based on 2005 figures. But US ethanol production increased by 60% since 2005 so the figure is derived from that.

I don’t see a farm related spike for planting or harvesting nor for the increase in the production of ethanol.

No you wouldn't because:

1) The fluctuation in gasoline usage can vary much more than 4.8 percent in a few months and the increase due to ethanol production occurred over years.

2) A higher demand in one sector that drives up the price is going to reduce demand in another sector that is more dicrectionary. (people use their RVs less when prices are high)

The biodiesel folks believe they can provide enough biodiesel for farm use...

Great. Grow crops to make fuel to use to grow crops to make more fuel. Great for the farm lobby.

...and with coal to diesel plants starting up

Why not just use the coal to make diesel fuel instead of using coal to make fuel to make corn to make fuel? Is this trip really necessary?

I don’t see much need to worry about the so called need to import oil to create ethanol.

Of course not. We will run out of farmland long before that.

94 posted on 04/14/2008 9:07:29 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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