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Expert: FLDS Polygamist Group is A Classic Cult
KTAR.com ^ | 4/11/08 | Jim Cross

Posted on 04/14/2008 10:23:50 AM PDT by ansel12

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To: Graybeard58

And the FLDS had them all so state magically provided none.


41 posted on 04/14/2008 11:45:21 AM PDT by nowandlater
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To: ansel12

For a minute I thought that the government was clamping down on a cult that practices polygamy, often with 9 year old girls to 50 year old men. A cult that abuses children. A cult that kills them if they don’t follow the rules of the cult. But I was wrong. The death cult from the middle east continues to practice its evil with the government looking on kindly.


42 posted on 04/14/2008 11:48:50 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Enforcing American laws did not stop because you have heard about Islam.


43 posted on 04/14/2008 11:54:42 AM PDT by ansel12 (This cult stuff is grossing me out.)
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To: AppyPappy; bpjam

I didn’t get it either.


44 posted on 04/14/2008 11:56:15 AM PDT by ansel12 (This cult stuff is grossing me out.)
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To: longtermmemmory
"expert? what does he give expert testimony for? Is he just an “expert hired gun”? such experts do more damage than help. Hired gun experts gave us reconstructed memories. Hired gun experts fill all the back of legal journals like a purient escort section of the yellow pages. Of course these people were exhibiting all the trademarks of a cult. The enforced isolation, the complete exclusion of the outside world via no communication. always be suspicious of experts like this.

Yikes, they interviewed a guy who is an expert in cults. Unclench a little bit.

45 posted on 04/14/2008 12:00:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (This cult stuff is grossing me out.)
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To: scory

See post 43


46 posted on 04/14/2008 12:03:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (This cult stuff is grossing me out.)
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To: colorado tanker
"It’s not just the young girls who are victimized. They have to run off large numbers of young boys so the geezers can get their share of the newly pubescent girls. Those boys, of course, have next to no skills how to get along in the outside world.

We need to keep an eye out for more info on that, we know about the "lost boys" of the cult, but we need more good threads on it. I'm really curious about the sex balance of the children at this branch, I bet it was not 50 50.

47 posted on 04/14/2008 12:07:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (This cult stuff is grossing me out.)
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To: nowandlater
You put one of these guys to death and they will stop.

So you're saying pass new laws that provide the death penalty for what exactly? Rape? Child sexual abuse? I'm not exactly sure what crime you are saying should be classified as a capital crime.

48 posted on 04/14/2008 12:15:43 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: ansel12
There was an article posted a few weeks ago that social services people in Arizona were trying to help the cast off boys out there. It sounded like a lot of them ended up in lower skills construction jobs.

It would be interesting to see if these people take any active measures at sex selection.

49 posted on 04/14/2008 12:15:47 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: colorado tanker
"It sounded like a lot of them ended up in lower skills construction jobs.

The home of men that need to eat, but want to be left alone to their own inner demons.

50 posted on 04/14/2008 12:21:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (This cult stuff is grossing me out.)
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To: MEGoody; nowandlater

He is a Latter Day Saint himself from Arizona, where the cults origins are, he was just trying to stir things up to change subjects.


51 posted on 04/14/2008 12:25:53 PM PDT by ansel12 (This cult stuff is grossing me out.)
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To: ansel12
Indeed. Imagine being a boy raised in that atmosphere with no contact with the outside world and as you approach adulthood being told you're not good enough to get your own harem, the sole measure of status in that world. Then being exiled.

That would really screw with someone's mind. Plus, how could you attract a normal girl to want to marry you, knowing your background???

52 posted on 04/14/2008 12:42:02 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: nowandlater
And the FLDS had them all so state magically provided none.

That contradicts the article I read yesterday at F.R. that the state was indeed rounding up lawyers for the kids.

53 posted on 04/14/2008 2:25:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: ansel12; MEGoody; nowandlater
He is a Latter Day Saint himself from Arizona, where the cults origins are, he was just trying to stir things up to change subjects.

Yep, and he's hitting just about every thread on this cult with the same message. Disrupting. It isn't working though, so he may as well give it up.

54 posted on 04/14/2008 2:31:34 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Are there any WOMEN FReepers who agree that the 1st. Amendment OKs sexual slavery?)
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To: Graybeard58; nowandlater
That contradicts the article I read yesterday at F.R. that the state was indeed rounding up lawyers for the kids.

Texas Bar seeking lawyers for each of the 416 FLDS children

"Calling all lawyers.

The State Bar of Texas has put out a call for volunteer attorneys to provide pro bono representation for the 416 children now in state protective custody after being taken from the Fundamentalist LDS Church's compound in Eldorado.

"Since the news first broke, the State Bar has been providing free online training to all lawyers volunteering to serve as attorneys ad litem for the hundreds of children taken into state custody," State Bar of Texas President Gib Walton said in a statement posted on their Web site.

The child-custody case is the largest of its kind ever in Texas history. Because of that, the State Bar (which certifies and disciplines lawyers) is coordinating efforts to recruit volunteer lawyers. A massive volunteer training session was held in San Angelo Friday, the State Bar said.

Walton said in his statement that the State Bar is trying to "help ensure that all persons involved are fairly represented and, in particular, that the children are served fairly and compassionately by our justice system."

At a court hearing next Thursday, Texas child protective services officials must prove that the children were at risk of abuse and neglect to justify their removal. The children will each have an attorney to represent them in court, which means a lot of attorneys are needed."


55 posted on 04/14/2008 2:36:12 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Are there any WOMEN FReepers who agree that the 1st. Amendment OKs sexual slavery?)
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To: greyfoxx39

No reason for me to stop. I am expressing my anger against these bastards. Do you think that is wrong???


56 posted on 04/14/2008 5:32:06 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: nowandlater
No, I understand your anger. Here is a news article:

News Brief: Monday, April 14, 2008
Today, the children who were removed from the FLDS compound were moved from various shelters to a single large shelter at the San Angelo City Coliseum.

This has been in the works since last week but DFPS couldn’t move sooner because the coliseum was booked for another engagement and had to be cleaned and made ready.

Since the judge ordered DFPS to keep the children in the area, all the agencies involved are working hard to provide as comfortable an environment as possible for these children and the coliseum is the best option. It’s not a hotel, but it provides more room and is better suited for a shelter than the various buildings DFPS had been using. With the judge’s permission DFPS moved about two dozen teenage boys to a facility outside the area. All the rest of the children are at the coliseum.

While adult women with very young children remain at the shelter are this time, many of the women were taken back to the compound or to a safe place of their choice.

While DFPS understands mothers want to be with their children it is not normal to allow a parent to accompany a child or to even know child’s exact location once the child has been removed due to abuse or neglect.

This decision was not made by CPS alone. DFPS sought counsel from the attorneys of the children, mental health professionals and others. The consensus was that this is in the best interest of the children at this time.

Some of the children are sick because they arrived at the shelter already sick. Some came into state care already suffering with chicken pox, and upper respiratory infections, ear infections, etc. The state is merely providing the medical attention the children need.

Texas Department of Family and Protective Services

57 posted on 04/14/2008 5:39:28 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Are there any WOMEN FReepers who agree that the 1st. Amendment OKs sexual slavery?)
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To: ansel12

Puhleaze,

I live AZ due to my wife’s health condition. I would love to move back to Southern California roots.

It’s basic for me. There is nothing worse than ruining a child’s life. If you mess with children then you deserve to die because it is the worst evil and the perpetuator does not reform.

So I can’t pissed? Thanks for treating like I am not human!


58 posted on 04/14/2008 5:42:16 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: nowandlater
"So I can’t pissed? Thanks for treating like I am not human!"

"YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS"

"Are you delusional or paraniod?"

"Is that anger? You are stupid."

"I am amazed of the stupidity of the crowd here."

============================================================ Maybe it was all your sweet talk to us that gave us the wrong impression. I accept that you are angry, but I don't have to like the way you expressed it.

59 posted on 04/14/2008 6:18:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (This cult stuff is grossing me out.)
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To: ansel12; nowandlater
“Why are you spamming every thread with this?”...ansel12
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This is the first time I have read nowandlater’s comment.

60 posted on 04/14/2008 6:39:45 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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