Posted on 04/15/2008 5:15:25 PM PDT by tripod
Exactly! As for the 16-year old girl, I think the authorities should tread very carefully in ever identifying that girl to the public. We do not have a need to know and IMHO her life could be in danger from these child abusers. Texas Rangers do not overreact from what I could see while living there. They are very careful when investigating, and if they tell me they needed to remove the children, then I stand behind the Rangers.
Maybe the authorities should invade every church in America whose members include parents of pregnant teens.
This is merely a test case. Once this case is resolved (even if it takes 5-10 years), future sex cults are going to have pretty clear guidelines as to what is permissible. While 13-14 will clearly be off limits, "marriage" of 16-18 yos will most likely be ok with parental approval.
Brainwashed mothers will make any approval requirements merely a rote process. The real test will be the 1A: will non-civil marriages conducted only in a "church" (ie cult) be permissible for 16-18 yos? The reason they will have to be non-civil is to avoid anti-polygamy statues ie relationships will need to take on the form of having multiple girlfriends, which is clearly legal.
The bottom line is that the FLDS, Muzzies and any other sex cults are going to have nice, clearcut guidelines in which to practice their dark arts.
Where is the state of Texas (& other states) on investigation of 13, 14, & 15 year old girls (& more) who come into WIC pregnant... without legal status and with no more than a signed piece of paper stating so-in-so lives at this address as verification to get on the WIC program? When those girls deliver, there is a celebration ... in the halls, in the parking lot... they are in!!!!!!! (Citizenship guarantee.)
Where is the outrage? Where is the investigation?
I have a female friend who fired a woman.
Suddenly out of the blue social services got an anonymous call about abuse in my friends home.
The caller did not know that there were other kids at the house so social services realized they were on a goose chase shortly after they arrived. They thought they were going to a single child home. The bitter person who called could not have ever imagined that she sent social services to a wonderful loving household. In this case it shows the importance of being prudent about discussing things at work.
But they have to respond to an anonymous tips.
Which means a person could really harrass their local politicians or anyone else if they really wanted to do so.
my2cents
Polygamy is not legal in Texas. Marriage is legal at age 18. If you want to live in Texas, you obey Texas law. We do not give people the right to abuse their own children or any one else’s children. To do that, you have to live in Utah or Arizona, states that have coddled this group of abusers for generations. If a cult wants to have child sacrifices, are they going to allow that too?
Wow, are you on the payroll for these whack jobs? I’ve never seen anyone on FR work so hard to spin anything so vile in all of my years here.
The rights of the Children indeed trump adult rights.
But let’s really look at the facts. Let’s say these incidents happened at a public school, instead of at the FLDS compound. Let’s say that many adult females enrolled their kids in a school and consented that certain adult men could have sex with their female children. Let’s say that a high percentage of the adult men and women were married couples, with many couples sharing their children with other men. Under such conditions, what Texas laws would have been violated?
Bigamy is against the law in every State. In Texas, a man cannot be married to two females at the same time. So it’s a legal impossibility for a married man, having sex with a 16 year old girl, to have a legal sexual relationship with her, even if she was of legal marriagable age. Since he can’t legally marry her, while married to another, he commits a statuatory Rape if he has sex with her. Statutory rape rules apply between an adult male and a female younger than age 18, if marriage is not a possibility. Such a rape is a felony. Adults who condone or knowingly allow such activities are subject to laws which prohibit the aiding and abetting of felonies, which act are also felonies.
Again, it doesn’t matter where such activities are committed. Being part of a cult doesn’t relieve a person of the responsibilty of obeying the law.
Laws against Polygamy (even though part of religious practice) were upheld by the Supreme Court in the 1890’s, as Mormon Polygamy was adjudicated in the United States. In most States, it is now against the law to practice bigamy or polygamy. The court upheld All such laws and Mormon Polygamy ended in the United States. By 1904 Mormon Polygamy ended as a sanctioned practice by Mormon leadership, with two Mormon Apostles being excommunicated from the LDS Church for defying Church Law in Mexico.
For Sexual relationships with girls under 16, especially with men older than 21 years, Child abuse laws take over. There are severe consequences for such abuse. Just knowing that such abuse is taking place and doing nothing about it, say at a school, or even in a family situation, is a felony in most states. Those in position of trust, including school teachers, ministers, law enforcement officials, counselors, health professionals, etc., must report suspected child abuse to proper legal authorities.
Aiding and abetting in child abuse is a felony in every State of the Union. In severe cases such persons have been sentenced to years in prison, themselves.
Proof that such laws have been broken is easy. What are the ages of the mothers, and what are the ages of their children. For young women, under 18, with 3 or 4 children, not legally married to a man, prima facia evidence exists. Probable cause can lead to blood tests and DNA tests to prove parentage, and identify the perps (older men), and then those who were complicit.
Don’t be confused about the breaking Child Abuse laws and Statutory Rape laws because a “cult” was involved. “Cults” are not immune or free from consequences of breaking the law.
Nor will society be free from the damage inflicted on these innocent children. The cost of remediation in the lives of these child (18 years and younger) victims will be in the $100’s of Millions. FLDS holdings should be confiscated to help defray the cost.
Yeah,
he’s always using yelling Nazi’s etc, but he’s never said much else...
I just imagine him running around yelling “WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!”
It makes me sick. Janet Reno used “child abuse” as a ploy to send the brownshirts into Waco to incinerate 76 American citizens, men, women, and children. This after many “anonymous tips”.
This Texas thing with the Mormons is shaping up to be the same thing. Only this time, they removed the children in advance. So we can’t say that BATF = Babies and Toddlers First.
“FLDS holdings should be confiscated to help defray the cost.”
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Before we go confiscating property, there is that pesky thing we call “Due Process”. It is related to that other pesky thin called the “Constitution” an its attached Bill of Rights.
How about some verifyable evidence followed by criminal charges. After the convictions in a court of Law, then the civil court can address forfieture of property.
This hysterical trial by news media sound bites is not the way to achieve justice. If crimes have been committed, name names and file charges.
It isn’t the time to bring out the rope.
No.
There is some kind of agenda here. I checked. Out of 16 posts, 9 of them were blasting the authorities involved in this case. He’s also claiming to be a lawyer, yet he misspells “religious” in EVERY post, said the Jews went to “intern camps”, and questioned someone’s “since” of constitutional justice.
Your average first year law student has had to type/write “religious freedom” thousands of times before even moving on to the second year, so I’m not buying it. My radar is pinging. I smell troll.
Sounds like you got a handle on this.
Dallas County Clerk’s Website:
Eligibility
Applicants should be 18 years or older with valid identification. Applicants under the age of 18 must have a certified copy of their birth certificate.
The minimum age for marriage in Texas with parental consent is 16. Parents must be present and give written consent. Each under-age applicant will be required to provide a certified copy of their birth certificate. The consenting parent must provide some form of government identification such as a valid drivers license. If the natural parents are divorced, the parent given custody must be present and give written consent and present a certified copy of their custody papers. Documents are required to establish that a prior marriage has been dissolved.
Judicial approval is required for anyone under the age of 16 to marry. Individuals who are 16 and 17 must have judicial approval or parental consent.
Yep,
I smell troll too....
too over the top,
like his butt has flames shooting out of it.
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