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Illegal immigrants pay billions in taxes
CNN ^ | 04/15/08 | AP

Posted on 04/15/2008 7:48:47 PM PDT by Is2C

NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- [snip]

The Social Security Administration estimates that about three-quarters of illegal workers pay taxes that contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare.

The agency estimates that for 2005, the last year for which figures are available, about $9 billion in taxes was paid on about $75 billion in wages from people who filed W2 forms with incorrect or mismatched data, which would include illegal immigrants who drew paychecks under fake names and Social Security numbers.

Spokesman Mark Hinkle says Social Security does not know how much of the $9 billion can be attributed to illegal immigrants. The number is certainly not 100 percent, but a significant portion probably comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants.

[snip]

The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers.

Federal law prohibits paying Social Security to illegal immigrants, but the administration factors in both legal and illegal immigration when projecting the trust fund's long-term solvency.

This is especially important as the 78 million-member baby boom generation begins to leave the work force and draw Social Security checks.

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"Ford, who has studied taxes and immigration, says a majority of economists agree that illegal immigrants are a net benefit for the U.S. economy.

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He calculates that illegal immigrants contributed $428 billion dollars to the nation's $13.6 trillion gross domestic product in 2006.

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"If anything we need more immigrants coming into the country, not less, especially with the baby boomers retiring," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; socialsecurity; taxes
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why our politicians are encouraging illegal immigration.

What strikes me about this article is the presentation of a theory (i.e. "estimates", "doesn't fully tally", "rough estimate", "no firm figures", "Social Security does not know", "probably", etc.) as fact (i.e. article title "Illegal immigrants pay billions in taxes")

Is there anyone out there with any experience or first hand knowledge on this subject that could shed some light on the validity of these claims?

1 posted on 04/15/2008 7:48:47 PM PDT by Is2C
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To: Is2C

Well, then, they should save themselves the money and GO HOME!


2 posted on 04/15/2008 7:50:16 PM PDT by Rob112586 ("...a decrease in the quantity of legislation generally means an increase in the quality of life.")
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To: Is2C

I’d rather they pay them in Mexico.


3 posted on 04/15/2008 7:52:11 PM PDT by manic4organic (Send a care package through USO today.)
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To: Is2C

Illegal aliens cost billions more by:

1. leaching off of our hospitals and social service programs
2. committing additional crimes and taking up jail space
3. alien children, anchor baby education
4. taking jobs from Americans and depressing wages.

Funny how reliably liberal cnn never mentions this


4 posted on 04/15/2008 7:54:12 PM PDT by Rosemont
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To: manic4organic

Another cornerstone of conservative principle is the rule of law. Liberals love to corrode that cornerstone with economic arguments. But it becomes just another way of destroying integrity. Economic “convenience” corroding legal/political integrity of a society. There is much more to this...


5 posted on 04/15/2008 7:56:14 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: Is2C

They don’t even know how many illegal alien invaders are in our country. How in the world can they ever say how much they pay in taxes.

It’s a sure bet they cost more than they contribute.


6 posted on 04/15/2008 7:58:14 PM PDT by MichiganCheese (Vote for the liars, they promise you more of other people's stuff.)
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To: Is2C

I’m guessing Jose and Maria and all the bebés cost the country a whole lot more than 9 billion. We still lose and they win.


7 posted on 04/15/2008 7:58:37 PM PDT by infantrywhooah (Hold your nose and vote in November. Even McCain is better than the alternatives)
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To: Rosemont

Hi Rosemont -

Have you ever heard this “illegals pay billions” argument? There seems to be only pure speculation in this article. If true it may be the reason ICE and the feds are ignoring illegal immigration. The blind eye approach has always baffled me.


8 posted on 04/15/2008 8:00:18 PM PDT by Is2C (http://www.persecution.com)
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To: Rosemont

Amen to that statement Rosemont.


9 posted on 04/15/2008 8:01:26 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Is2C

It is pure BS.


10 posted on 04/15/2008 8:01:31 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Is2C
’$428 billion total but only $75 billion in wages? ‘

Can I not tell the government I don’t make any money to?

11 posted on 04/15/2008 8:02:38 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Is2C
Most illegals are "off the books" and have no withholdings.

This article is a steaming load.

12 posted on 04/15/2008 8:04:58 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Is2C

I don’t know, but California alone is spending at least 9 billion a year on education and health care for illegals.


13 posted on 04/15/2008 8:05:33 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: bioqubit
Another cornerstone of conservative principle is the rule of law. Liberals love to corrode that cornerstone with economic arguments. But it becomes just another way of destroying integrity. Economic “convenience” corroding legal/political integrity of a society. There is much more to this...

Please do expound on this. That is why I posted the article, because it sounds so biased and I would like to know the real (not talking point so much) debate on this. My knee-jerk reaction is to say "that' bull" but I'd like some factual info if anyone has it (and has the time to post it)

14 posted on 04/15/2008 8:06:25 PM PDT by Is2C (http://www.persecution.com)
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To: Is2C

It can’t be measured if its illegal...


15 posted on 04/15/2008 8:08:32 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Is2C

Uh oh. My BS alarm just went off!


16 posted on 04/15/2008 8:09:19 PM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Is2C
"Ford, who has studied taxes and immigration, says a majority of economists agree that illegal immigrants are a net benefit for the U.S. economy.

There is no amount of million man math that can be used to convince me these folks are a net benefit to us.

Everything from free birthing experiences for anchor babies and free welfare for same, free education, healthcare and so on convince me otherwise.

17 posted on 04/15/2008 8:09:49 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Is2C

A couple of years ago the LA Times was claiming illegal Latino immigrants made a net positive contribution to the California economy of something like $10 billion. Which leads to the following questions:

1) Using the same math, what’s the net contribution of white people, or Asians, or blacks?

2) If every group is a net positive, why do we have a budget deficit in California?


18 posted on 04/15/2008 8:09:57 PM PDT by blue state conservative
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To: Is2C

We’ve got to get out of the mode of others paying for our mistakes. Simply put, in a world of scarcity, market costs tell us where and where not to spend among competing alternatives. Where we subsidize poverty for instance, we get more than the market would otherwise supply.


19 posted on 04/15/2008 8:10:31 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Is2C
Illegal immigrants pay billions in taxes

This is true and they're just as unlikely to recover any of it in the form of SS as any of us is. But they're still illegal.
20 posted on 04/15/2008 8:12:09 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Is2C

The bad news is that they SHOULD be paying hundreds of billions in taxes.


21 posted on 04/15/2008 8:12:56 PM PDT by reg45
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To: Is2C
Only if they have stolen some American's Identity.

22 posted on 04/15/2008 8:13:30 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Rob112586

I’d prefer them to go the hell back home than to stay here and pay taxes.

Cya!


23 posted on 04/15/2008 8:15:14 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: Is2C

I’ll gladly pay more to keep my family safe, preserve my heritage and culture and see our laws enforced. As long as it means the illegals are rounded up and deported.


24 posted on 04/15/2008 8:16:25 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Is2C
I come for visit, get treated regal, So I stay, who care I illegal?

I cross border, poor and broke, Take bus, see employment folk. Nice man treat me good in there, Say I need to see welfare.

Welfare say, "You come no more, We send cash right to your door."

Welfare checks, they make you wealthy, Medicaid it keep you healthy!

By and by, I got plenty money, Thanks to you, American dummy. Write to friends in motherland, Tell them come as fast as you can.

They come in rags and Chebby trucks, I buy big house with welfare bucks. They come here, we live together, More welfare checks, it gets better!

Fourteen families they moving in, But neighbor's patience wearing thin. Finally, white guy moves away, Now I buy his house, and then I say,

"Find more aliens for house to rent." And in the yard I put a tent. Send for family (they just trash), But they, too, draw the welfare cash!

Everything is mucho good, And soon we own the neighborhood. We have hobby--it's called breeding, Welfare pay for baby feeding.

Kids need dentist? Wife need pills? We get free! We got no bills! American crazy! He pay all year, To keep welfare running here.

We think America darn good place! Too darn good for the white man race. If they no like us, they can go, Got lots of room in Mexico

25 posted on 04/15/2008 8:18:16 PM PDT by skimask (Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: Is2C

I should have become an economist. I mean, in what other job can you just come up with crazy-ass predictions and unsubstantiated guesstimates and still be considered an “expert”?

Except for a job being a political pundit, that is...


26 posted on 04/15/2008 8:18:26 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Dane

C’mon over here and do your thing, coyote.


27 posted on 04/15/2008 8:20:09 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Is2C

This survey had REAL immigrants mixed in with the illegal aliens...

They dont tell you how many are legally here and how many are illegal aliens...


28 posted on 04/15/2008 8:21:47 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Rosemont

Yep, they cost billions. Plus there are many, many costs that are not measured in dollar amounts.

I don’t care how much money illegals pump into the system. It could be 1000 times more than that estimated figure, and my stance would remain the same. They’re here illegally. Therefore they need to get out. Period.


29 posted on 04/15/2008 8:23:14 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Is2C

They have no idea what the % of illeglas are paid cash/no deductions.

Most of them in cinstruction are paid that way.

The ofset these government bozos dont mention is the many multitudes of billions more than taxes are consumedby illegals in welfare, medical, and food stamps.


30 posted on 04/15/2008 8:23:55 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: Is2C

There is web site that refutes all that propaganda about how our economy benefits from these alien lawbreakers. I’ll look for it because I didn’t bookmark it, silly me!


31 posted on 04/15/2008 8:24:23 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: Is2C

32 posted on 04/15/2008 8:25:38 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Is2C
Local towns and states earn billions in fines for traffic and other legal violations... so let's all go out and break some laws!

/sarc

33 posted on 04/15/2008 8:39:09 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: XeniaSt

exactly,

they admit that these that “pay taxes” are doing so by using fake names and getting numbers

that is FRAUD, and is against the law, why is it that illegals get a get out of jail free pass and any american that used a fake number would have their butt thrown into jail.

the equal protection clause is supposed to take care of laws that are not being enforced equally among “groups”


34 posted on 04/15/2008 8:45:51 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: Is2C

BILLIONS? With an “S”?

Wait a second - I’m told these people come here and are immediately subjugated by our racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic culture. So far I’ve been told by this by the unbiased, non partisan, America loving media (just before they relate to me the horrors of how these people work 20 hours a day for a nickel an hour.)

But now I’m being told that these people are paying BILLIONS in Social Security.

So which is it: are these people the oppressed masses being crushed under greedy American citizens or are they oppressed masses being crushed by the tax code that refuses to distribute to them?


35 posted on 04/15/2008 8:50:11 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: Is2C

Bump....


36 posted on 04/15/2008 8:56:38 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: MichiganCheese
They don’t even know how many illegal alien invaders are in our country. How in the world can they ever say how much they pay in taxes.

And that is not an estimate it has been proved. This estimate stuff is just about 100% bovine waste.

37 posted on 04/15/2008 8:59:10 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Is2C

First of all the government is operating a money scam by not going after those with fake SS numbers.

Secondly, WAIT UNTIL THE ILLLEGALS SUE FOR REPARATIONS.


38 posted on 04/15/2008 8:59:13 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Is2C

It is costing here in San Diego and California billions of dollars a year funding illeglas.

The crimes the illegals committ, murder, robbery, drugs, etc is a large per cent of issues here.

They also wire mega millions a yr back to Mexico


39 posted on 04/15/2008 8:59:16 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: Is2C

If CNN says this is true, then I do not believe it. Don’t they drag this out every so often to prove that illegals are a boon and not a debt to our country?


40 posted on 04/15/2008 9:05:15 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Rosemont

I don’t remember where I originally found this:

- $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

- $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally

- $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens

- $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services

- $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

The National Policy Institute estimated that, “the total cost of mass deportation would be between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.”


41 posted on 04/15/2008 9:15:14 PM PDT by KarenMarie
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Oh and another thing...

It really ticks me off when people go on and on about how much the illegals do for us. I think if we kicked every one them out tomorrow, there would be loads of jobs for all the current welfare recipients.


42 posted on 04/15/2008 9:23:24 PM PDT by KarenMarie
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To: Is2C

How many of those illegals are paying taxes because they’re using stolen Social Security numbers?


43 posted on 04/15/2008 9:45:22 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Is2C; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it

Why do they perpetuate this myth? When's the last time any one of you went down to your local Social Security office and filed a claim for the money you paid in to it...? Before retirement, as the article suggests?

44 posted on 04/15/2008 9:47:51 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support our Troops ~ www.americasupportsyou.mil ~)
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Uh, do they have to be illegal to pay taxes?


45 posted on 04/15/2008 9:48:30 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: HiJinx
Why do they perpetuate this myth? When's the last time any one of you went down to your local Social Security office and filed a claim for the money you paid in to it...? Before retirement, as the article suggests?

Exactly! The greatest fraud ever forced on "free" people...

...by...who else?...LYING SOCIALISTS.

46 posted on 04/15/2008 9:53:28 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Is2C
I will never never never believe that people who are here illegally are seeking out tax forms, tabulating what they made under the table, filling in the number, and sending in a tax form with a check to the IRS.

They're afraid of the authorities but they're calling attention to their presence by alerting the IRS to their presence.

I'm calling BULLSHIT.

47 posted on 04/15/2008 9:54:43 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Is2C

http://www.numbersusa.com/index


48 posted on 04/15/2008 10:35:15 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Is2C

This is a FALSE argument.

Who do thy pay taxes to?

WHAT social security number are the y screwing up?

Simple payment of these axes is meaningless when they take mor ein services then they provide to the country because they do NOT do EVERYTHING as they should. And I seriously doubt the numbers because if we KNOW they are illegal how did we verify that? What we SAMPLED 10 illegals and it just happened that 6 or 7 responded that they pay?

Good God these people never cease to amaze me on how much they are willing to LIE to JUSTIFY Illegal activity in the name of liberalism and democrat votes.


49 posted on 04/15/2008 10:40:55 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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There can be no logic of facts to back of the fabrications in this article.

They don’t even insure their cars driving, so why the supposed honesty to pay taxes? BUNK

Maybe they pay some sales and gas tax because they are consumption taxes. That is about it.

Their cost in California a year could exceed maybe 5 billion.


50 posted on 04/16/2008 12:30:34 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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