Posted on 04/19/2008 5:53:21 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
New York, April 19: Apparently tired of bickering between presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, Democratic Party leaders are likely to pressurise the former US first lady to withdraw if she performs badly in the crucial Pennsylvania primary on Tuesday, analysts say.
However, should she decide to continue to fight until the party convention on August 24 in Denver, the party can do little about it.
But with several party leaders asserting that the vicious campaign is doing damage to the ability of the Democratic party to take on Republican candidate John McCain, pressure is likely to mount on super delegates elected officials to declare their preference so that the candidate with lesser numbers could be persuaded to withdraw.
In the debate in Philadelphia earlier this week, both candidates had said that their fight would not affect the Democratic Party's ability to defeat McCain and that they would get united once the nominee is chosen.
But the party bosses do not think so. They say if the fight continues until August, the party would lose three crucial months of campaigning apart from the fact that the Republicans would give ammunition to damage whichever candidate is nominated.
Party Chairman Howard Dean, media reports say, has been urging the super delegates to make up their mind early as there is no chance of either candidate getting enough pledged delegates. The super delegates are not committed to anyone and decide on their own.
Meanwhile, Clinton slightly shifted the line of attack on Obama, challenging his ability to manage the country when he is complaining about tough questioning during the debate in which his performance, all analysts agree, was below par.
She’s gonna win Pennsylvania so the reasoning’s weak.
Asking a Clinton to quit is like asking a barracuda not to bite.
So, sounds like they’re scared she’s gonna win the popular vote and then what happens to their golden boy?
If she wins big in Penn there’s no way they will talk her into quitting. If it’s close on the other hand, the pressure will be intense and she may fold.
Actually, that might be the best money they’ve ever spent.
I’ll bet they want her to quit. That debate the other night showed their emperor has no clothes. They want things to get back to normal; i.e. against a Republican with the MSM on their side.
Operation Chaos at work. You can’t make this stuff up.
She’s 700,000 behind in the popular vote.She can’t win.
Study: Hillary’s Popular Vote Hope a Mirage
Posted April 9, 2008 | 02:54 PM (EST)
Wharton professor Gregory P. Nini (who worked with me on Fear and Courage in the Democratic Party ) and I just released a new study that undermines Hillary Clinton’s efforts to claim popular legitimacy from a possible win in the popular vote. The problem: in 2008 the popular vote isn’t really popular.
That’s because 13 states held caucuses instead of primaries. Because of the challenges of participating in caucuses (fixed times, long time commitment), far fewer people vote in caucus states. Indeed, turnout in those states was just four percent compared to almost 20 percent in primary states.
The study projects that 4.1 million additional people would likely have voted in caucus states had primaries been held in those states instead. As a result, using current popular vote numbers would mean dismissing the will of all those people who would have participated in primaries but didn’t have the chance — and disproportionately weighting the vote of primary state citizens.
And here’s the kicker: based on the demographic profile of the caucus states, had primaries been held everywhere, Obama would likely have slightly increased his popular vote margin from the current 2.5 percent to 3.5 percent. You can read the full study here.
What’s the over/under on F-bombs at that meeting?
Though a part of me wants to see her lose badly, I hope she blows out Obama in PA to keep her in it, and then Obama comes back in the NC primary beating her by double digits there and hopefully they will break nearly even in Indiana. This scenario will guarantee chaos well into the summer.
Do you think, that perhaps dean and company have figured out how much she would owe Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity if she was nominated?
Are they including FL and MI in that? If FL and MI had been done properly, and she wins big in PA, I think that would put her very close in Pop Vote.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
Clinton has lost this. She didn’t take the early caucus states seriously and Obama got a leg up. Her strategy was flawed and now she’s paying.
I want to see her “pressurised”.
She should also ask that stupid black Marxist America hater to quit also.
One of Dean’s 25 (I think that’s what he called himself) was on chatting with the Friends this morning saying that he remains neutral and will decide on a candidate at the convention. So this means there will be a choice? He also said that Fla & Michigan needed to be seated and thought that they would be. So...it sounds like Mrs. C. is not dropping out, based on this.
I don’t know how to feel about this.
On the one hand, I HATE the idea of a possible Hillary presidency. Just the thought of the two of them again in the White House is deplorable.
On the other hand, the thought of Obama in any position of power is downright scary.
The GOP MUST win this one.
If not, and if the Dem were to actually win in November, I’m beginning to think Hillary would be the least harmful chief executive.
And that’s enough to bring on a migraine.
Although caucus’s have less voters, but dont indicate the popular vote well.
Take Texas as an example (http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/TX.html)
In the Primary its Clinton 50.9 to Obama 47.4
In the Caucus its Obama 56.2 to 43.7
Thats a massive 16 point turnaround.
If she is talked into quitting, it will come at a high price. She’ll wait until the offer is high enough, then gracefully do the “right thing for the party and the country.” So, the question is, what carrot would entice her? SCOTUS? Cabinet? Senate Majority? Attorney General?
Either way, she’s not going anywhere. (my opinion, of course)
I almost feel sorry for the sacrificial goat that has to actually ask her.
I like the justice of the Clintons agreeing to leave out those states and then losing by that margin.
-problem is there are NO volunteers to approach her with this.....Operation Chaos endures.
I think she’ll take monmey and the senate dem leadership. It’s not like they have anybody doing anything. Reid is an empty suit, who’s one investigation away from resigning. Also, what a great patriot he has turned out to be!
From the article:
“New York, April 19: Apparently tired of bickering between presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, Democratic Party leaders are likely to pressurise the former US first lady to withdraw if she performs badly in the crucial Pennsylvania primary on Tuesday, analysts say.”
I’d love to be the fly on the wall in THAT room!
Perhaps they’re going to strap her into a straight jacket before they make the request!
- John
Obama is proving a lightweight candidate with far-left leanings, so the Dems want to stop the bleeding.
It all depends on how much dirt she's got on 'em.
I’ll be surprised if she quits. What’s the upside for her? She and Bill are loved or hated by everyone that matters already anyway. That won’t change anything. They can’t hurt or help her career if she loses or quits. And, once Obama is in her people are outta there, never to be seen again. I mean, can you see Lanny Davis on the Obama train?
There is nothing the DNC has to offer. To the Clinton Chinese Mafia, being President is worth $100 million in Graft. No other position offers those kind of bribes.
Pray for W and Our Troops
I’ve decided to participate in operation chaos. My vote will go to Hillary in the Indiana primary. Neither of these bozos can win the general.
You are correct.GREAT comment.
-be sure to order your t-shirt. ;^)
There's talk (ugh) she is entertaining running for Gov. of NY. Doubt Obama wants her a part of his cabinet and Reid indicated he's going nowhere. However since the Clintons come in pairs perhaps the offer must be a twofer with hubby picking one of the above.
You read my mind! I’d rather have the SHE-DEVIL and not the MUSLIM anti-America devil...YOUR DAMN RIGHT IT’S SCARY! A FREAKIN NIGHTMARE!! McVAIN sure is looking awfully good right now!
Hillary might be able to seize the White House through criminal and unethical practices, e.g. blackmail, stuffing ballot boxes, etc., and the Democrats are definitely not above such as this (or anything else, for that matter), but they are afraid of the Clintons and what the Clintons could and would do to them (to hell with the nation and the American people!) if sufficiently empowered.
The Democrats are in a quandry. They could go either way. It all depends on whether they're delusional enough to think Obama could win or intimidated enough to support Clinton.
They are looking for a way to nominate someone else--e.g. Gore, Kerry, et al.--but they can't think of any strategy that might work, considering the circumstances.
First, the discussion of encouraging Hillary to back out will lead to blood on the floor at the Dem meetings.
Secondly, if Hillary is "pressurised" to fold, refuses to fold, and then becomes the nominee, there will be "Hell to Pay" and once again have blood on the floor of those within the party who fought her. (I'm thinking Arkancide here.)
If she loses outright, the Clinton RICO Machine will crank up all kinds of havoc anyway and never really work for Barry's campaign. Can you imagine BillyJeff on the campaign trail with Barry?!?!?! I think not.
There will be no party left to unify. I think McCain will be sworn in.
IOW the party has to PAY HILLARY for the dance they want.
The Clinton’s are evil and extremely vengeful and vindictive. They will proceed revenge on all the Judases and mediaWHORES that dumped the SHE-DEVIL (remember Kathleen’s cat?). I believe this is only the beginning of the VOMIT COUPLE FROM HELL full wrath!
Giuliani used the same strategy. Only he gave up.
The super delegates exist solely to prevent the party from going over the cliff. If the popular vote, or the delegate count mattered and the superdelegates were to simply follow the voters (or caucus goers) lead then you wouldn’t need superdelegates as they are superfluous to the process: the Demo voters would be empowered to choose.
I hesitate to admit it, but I pity Dean on this. The party is staring at a train wreck about to happen and can only help themselves by pushing it to a head now and then hopefully use the time to the convention to rally around their hatred for the Republicans. All that typical liberal crap about healing and whatnot.
What a bunch of poltroons.
Their wise men are: Gore, Clinton, Carter and Dean!
That is a made to order internecine knock-down drag-out!
CHAOS!
It’s amazing that BO ran a serious campaign at all. The Dem Party is meritocratic and run like a union. The person with “seniority” gets their turn to run, etc.
The only explanation for BO’s continued campaign is that the different ethnic/gender groups within the Dem party are using this politically risky BO & Hillary contest, on both sides, to (hopefully) grab and establish long term power for their particular coalition - both in govt., and in the Party itself.
Party bosses may ask Hillary Clinton to quit ...
she will quit when pigs in pants suits fly...and NOT corkscrewing into bosnia during a sniper attack!!!
There are no party bosses or leaders in the Democrat Party. If there were, then they would not have got themselves into the mess in which they find themselves in Florida and Michigan. Anyone posing as a leader in the Democrat Party who approaches Hillary will have Michigan and Florida hung around their neck like an albatross. Because the Democrats are so good at vote rigging and shady elections, then Hillary’s claims that Michigan and Florida ought to count has a lot of resonance in the Democrat Party. The blunders of Florida and Michigan are at this point the buffer keeping Hillary in the race.
Wow! I hadn't thought of it that way. They really are in deep doo-doo! I'm starting to feel a bit encouraged. Operation Chaos is great medicine.
A Clinton withdraw prematurely?
Ain’t gonna happen.
I was listening to a somewhat left-leaning radio talk show the day after the TX primaries. The one word 90% of the folks calling in who had voted there used was the all-encompassing verion of SNAFU. The poor schoolkids had a big state test the next day and people kept them at the caucus locations well into the night to be able to cast their vote. Based on the testimonies of those who attended, it was a stinkin’ mess all the way around. Doesn’t sound very reliable to me.
Why not? They ejaculate prematurely all the time.
(I meant verbally. Why, whatever did you think I meant?)
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