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The days of Swift Boating are numbered
The Ironton Tribune (OH)/irontontribune.com ^ | April 19, 2008 | Jim Crawford

Posted on 04/19/2008 8:02:51 AM PDT by garbageguy

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To: garbageguy

Obama, Kerry, and the democrats can just hope.


41 posted on 04/19/2008 9:35:31 AM PDT by chainsaw ( No black racist Muslims in the WH.)
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To: TLI
John Kerry had military service in Vietnam that earned him several purple hearts.

Purple hearts that he recommended for himself. A fact F Kerry never denied.

42 posted on 04/19/2008 9:42:26 AM PDT by chainsaw ( No black racist Muslims in the WH.)
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To: garbageguy
Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges...

If leftists couldn't lie, they'd have to be silent.

The real story of how the Swift Vets torpedoed Kerry can be found right here.

43 posted on 04/19/2008 9:46:45 AM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: garbageguy
Has John Fraud Kerry signed Standard Form SF-180 in a manner which would allow his military record to be released directly to the public and submitted it to the Federal Records Center in St. Louis, Missouri yet?
44 posted on 04/19/2008 9:54:43 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: EDINVA
Unlike most ‘negative’ political advertising, the Swift Boat Vets were real people who served w/Kerry who stepped forward courageously against the odds to tell their story and version of events. To this day we haven’t seen a 180.

Nor have we seen a refutation of these charges by Kerry or anybody associated with his campaign.

That is, unless you want to count the New York Times' idle claim that the charges had been "discredited" (they never said how or by whom)...

45 posted on 04/19/2008 10:04:03 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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Vietnam veterans have now been granted popular acceptance, and a multitude of sources are stating they served with courage, commitment, and dedication, while holding to the position SwiftBoat Veteran’s for Truth were a blight on our society. This position directly contradicts John Kerry’s report to the Washington Star, saying, “We established an American presence in most cases by showing the flag and firing at sampans and villages along the banks. Those were our instructions, but they seemed so out of line that we finally began to go ashore, against our orders, and investigate the villages that were supposed to be our targets. We discovered we were butchering a lot of innocent people, and morale became so low among the officers on those ‘swift boats’ that we were called back to Saigon for special instructions from Gen. Abrams. He told us we were doing the right thing. He said our efforts would help win the war in the long run. That’s when I realized I could never remain silent about the realities of the war in Vietnam.” Kerry further testified before Congress saying, “We had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command…..They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country”.

Such a position poses a dilemma. Is the first position true? If so, then how are we to regard assertions Swiftboat Veteran’s for Truth made scurrilous and disgraceful attacks when they vehemently contradicted Kerry’s claims about his and others actions in Vietnam. In which roll was John Kerry a great patriot? How do we regard his four months of service in Vietnam, where he was given the Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts? How do we regard his two years of service with Vietnam Veterans Against the War, which the North Vietnamese consider sufficiently valuable to recognize him in their war memorial in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon). Only the presence of a stunning naiveté approaching the supernatural could not identify a contradiction.

The current position does not offer a means to re-interpret the understanding of others and my service with TF-116. In my little corner of the war on the Ca Mau Peninsula our boats and ships were ordered not to return fire from the village of Nam Can as they transited to and from Seafloat. We were expected to gut it out through the kill zone, because the village was designated by us as a sanctuary from the war for civilians. However, I am popularly and historically considered a victim and un-indicted war criminal, while now at the same having served courageously.


46 posted on 04/19/2008 10:07:38 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: okie01

maybe the best part of the SBV ‘04 activities was watching Lawrence O’Donnell’s veins popping as he screamed repeatedly at John O’Neill who sat there cool as a cucumber. I thought for the second time in my life I’d see someone die live on tv.


47 posted on 04/19/2008 10:33:06 AM PDT by EDINVA (Proud American for 23,062 days.... and counting!)
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To: garbageguy

“Swiftboating” is repeatedly presenting truth to the lies told by a political aspirant so that the liar’s plans are foiled and he looks like a fool. JF Kerry is the gold standard example.


48 posted on 04/19/2008 10:34:17 AM PDT by Clara Lou (~sigh~ '08)
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To: garbageguy
I signed up to The Irontown Tribune to post this

Your definitions are certainly convoluting the definition of ‘Swift Boating”. Like reassigning Red and Blue colors to running away from the word liberal, a definition more in tune with a libertarian than a statist such as yourself.

“Swift Boating” is an exposure of a person's falsely defined public image. It is only done by forces outside the media and parties. The media does not ‘Swift Boat” it libels or engages in character assassination. Dan rather was swift-boated. So was Kerry.

If the charges against Kerry were false, he has had plenty of time to refute them,all he has to do is fully release his service records. "

49 posted on 04/19/2008 11:33:58 AM PDT by OeOeO
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To: OeOeO

Good work.

Here’s mine:

Swiftboating: Exposing the lies, deceit and fraud of self-glorifying public officials or candidates for public office who exaggerate their military service by lying about feats of heroism or combat wounds.

Kerry is a man whose honor wasn’t besmirched as much as his dishonor was revealed.

If you disagree (and have PROOF the Swifties lied about John Kerry), there’s $1 million waiting to be collected from T. Boone Pickens.

Jim Crawford, your money awaits you. Show us the PROOF.


50 posted on 04/19/2008 11:53:50 AM PDT by shoptalk
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To: garbageguy
Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges against the personal character of a candidate.

The Swift Boat Veterans told the truth. No one has ever shown otherwise.

51 posted on 04/19/2008 12:12:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Beijing 2008. Moscow 1980 Olympic Games for murdering regimes.)
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To: Wade827

I am sorry, I keep meaning to put the barf alert tag on Crawford’s stuff.


52 posted on 04/19/2008 2:03:25 PM PDT by garbageguy
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