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To: RogerFGay
A group of scientists have challenged the IPCC to admit that there is no evidence that human activity drives climate change.

The reporter uses very sloppy language here. What he means to say is that the IPCC's position should not be considered proven by the evidence.

There is of course a great deal of evidence that can be interpreted to support the IPCC's position. The dispute is specifically with regard to how this this large body of evidence should be interpreted, not whether it exists.

There is a great deal of difference between saying there is no evidence, and saying that a position has not been proven.

3 posted on 04/19/2008 12:02:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: Sherman Logan

Lets just say the muslims making oil and the communist chinese make products are the only producers.


4 posted on 04/19/2008 12:07:15 PM PDT by edcoil
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To: Sherman Logan

Sloppy evidence is much worse than sloppy language.

Like the hockey stick graph.


5 posted on 04/19/2008 12:09:13 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (The only way for honorable people to be liberal is to have no idea what conservatism is.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Actually, the scientists said "there is no observational evidence in measured data going back 22,000 years or even millions of years that CO2 levels (whether from man or nature) have driven or are driving world temperatures or climate change."

I think you're presenting your own view rather than being objective about what the scientists have said.
6 posted on 04/19/2008 12:10:02 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Sherman Logan
Your wrote: “There is of course a great deal of evidence that can be interpreted to support the IPCC’s position.”

And where is this evidence? It was much warmer during the period of 900 to 1300 CE than today and the temperature has gone lower since 1998 in the present era. The southern ice cap has increased in size and the northern water ice is at normal (who knows what normal is since we have no idea how much ice was there in 1000) but we do know (or that is what the scientist say) that there was NO ice there for millions of years.

The normal cycles of the earth, sun and the universe are NOT being influenced by humans. If humans influence climate change then there has never been a climate change in the history of the earth.

8 posted on 04/19/2008 12:13:11 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: Sherman Logan

I think the FReeper poster is the reporter.


9 posted on 04/19/2008 12:13:54 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“There is of course a great deal of evidence that can be interpreted to support the IPCC’s position.”

OK, you supply the graph illustrating all that evidence. Otherwise, please recant.


29 posted on 04/19/2008 12:54:29 PM PDT by devere (http://www.usmm.net/p2/thiswar.jpg)
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To: Sherman Logan
There is of course a great deal of evidence that can be interpreted to support the IPCC's position.

There is evidence we had very modest warming in the 20th century. But there is no evidence that links CO2 to the change. The historical data suggests that temperatures drives atmospheric CO2, not the other way around.

44 posted on 04/19/2008 1:56:38 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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