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To: jslade
I have to be careful with my reply. I can't be seen as directing you in circumventing any laws.

That said...

I have been thinking about this for a long time. Now that WalMart, Public, Kroger, etc. are offering generics for $4 per month, a lot of problems are solved. Still, if you require something that absolutely can't be solved with a $4 drug, there are options. I just need to figure out how to tell you what they are.

The media is complicit in this as they constantly talk about "counterfeit" drugs. For example, Pfizer produces a drug in Ireland and sells it all over the world. If you buy it here, OK... expensive, but OK. But, if you do an internet purchase from Brazil or some other country at 1/3 the US price, the media reports that you bought a counterfeit. You got the real thing but it is called a counterfeit because you did not buy it through normal channels. This is where the knowledgeable consumer issue comes in.

There are very reliable and inexpensive sources for drugs out there - just as there are crooks out there. I know the owner of one overseas manufacturer in India and he produces a number of drugs for US drug companies. His plant is FDA inspected and he follows GMP (Good Manufacturing Practices). He can't sell anything here via the internet because he would lose his FDA certification. But he makes the drugs you take every day. It also drives him crazy to sell it for pennies and know that his customer sells it for thousands of times more. It is the system though.

I would not buy drugs from any solicitation that you get over the internet in your email. There is a 99.999 percent chance that it is a scam.

Canada drugs aren't much better, a lot of the Canadian drug sites are not really in Canada. Also, Canadian drug prices have risen - a lot- since they realized you don't have a lot of choices out there. 20-30% savings is about as good as it gets now. Better than US prices, but 20% off a $500 bill is still $400.

There are much better deals out there. Safe ones. I just need to figure out how to tell you about them.

OK, I just remembered this Business Week article. You can't read the whole thing unless you have a subscription but that's OK the information that you need is at the end of the 5th paragraph. Reliable source, still a little higher than other sources, but this one has been published in Business Week which makes it ok for me to point you there.

Business Week Article-Click Here

Also, New drugs, as patents expire, are being added to the grocery store lists all the time so you need to keep checking their websites for "generic drugs". For example, I just checked Publix for this note and found:

As of April 1, 2008, the following generic drugs are now available at your local Publix Pharmacy. Please speak with your Publix pharmacist for complete details about these drugs and their use:

* Ramipril 2.5, 5, and 10mg: A generic equivalent for Altace capsules
* Granisetron 1mg: A generic equivalent for Kytril tablets
* Pantoprazole 20, 40mg: A generic equivalent to Protonix
* Balsalazide 750mg: A generic equivalent to Colazol capsules
* Oxcarbazepine 150, 300, and 600mg: A generic equivalent for Trileptal tablets
* Cetirizine 5, 10mg: A generic non-prescription equivalent for Zyrtec tablets
* Alendronate 5, 10, 35, 70mg: A generic equivalent for Fosamax tablets


New drugs are becoming available all of the time. These generic drugs are expected to be available soon at your neighborhood Publix Pharmacy. Please ask your Publix pharmacist or check with your doctor for more information regarding these drugs and their use:

* Cetirizine/Pseudoephedrine: A generic non-prescription equivalent for Zyrtec D tablets
* Fexofenadine/Pseudoephedrine tablets: A generic equivalent for Allegra-D tablets
* Donepezil 5 and 10mg: A generic equivalent for Aricept tablets
* Desloratadine 5mg tablets: A generic equivalent for Clarinex 5 mg tablets
* Carbamazepine sustained-release 100 and 200 mg tablets: A generic equivalent for Tegretol XR tablets
* Pioglitizone 15, 30, and 45mg: A generic equivalent for Actos tablets
* Risperidone 0.25, 0.5, 1, 2, 3, 4mg: A generic equivalent for Risperdal tablets
* Zaleplon 5, 10mg: A generic equivalent for Sonata capsules


I just tried to call a Publix pharmacy on these to see what their pricing is as they probably are not be on the $4 list yet but they will be cheaper than you have seen these drugs before. Sorry, but they were closed.

Another source is Costco Wholesale Clubs. I hear that they sell their generics cheaper than anyone else (except for the $4 drugs at WalMart) I just checked their price for the equivalent of a Z-Pack (azithromycin, 6 tablets of 250 mgs) which I use as a good guage on someone's pricing. Costco's price was $15.89 for 3 tablets-500mg; just split them for 6 250's at a cost of $2.64 per dose. That's good for the US. If you walk into Walgreen's or CVS, you will pay $35 to $45 per Z-Pak ($6 to $7 per pill)unless you have drug coverage then it is whatever your copay is.

Your doctors office who dispenses is paying wholesale around $25 for this. I can't tell you why. The patent on this expired last year. It should be much cheaper now.

The source I mentioned in the Business Week article sells azithromycin for the equivalent of $1.15 per dose (You do have to buy 30 tablets for $34.50 but Z-paks are the more often prescribed antibiotic these days - take 2 the first day and then 1 more for 4 more days...6 tablets per therapeutic event. So you might have a few extra for next time.)

That is NOT the best price, I can find them for $.50 and I only have to buy 6. I just can't ... today ... tell you where. Just know the deals are out there and the key is to find some assurance that they are real.

The bottom line is that you have to become a "smart shopper". Most of the new expensive drugs are just tweeks that drug companies roll out when patent protection expires on one of their blockbuster drugs.

For example Prilosec (now half strength over the counter and still too expensive) was replaced by Prevacid and now Nexium. Testing reveals minimal difference in efficacy between them. So if you go the article that I mention above and find the site mentioned there you will find the generic equivalents of these drugs for half the cost. This place is not the best deal out there by a long shot but I have good reason to believe that they are reliable and ethical.

Another way they get you is to create an "extended release" version. These usually are more convenient and give a better "steady state" level in the body but you pay for it. If you are willing to be diligent in how you take your meds, you can live without the "extended release" factor.

For example, Metaprolol, better known as Topral, is now sold as Topral XR (extended release, XR, get it!) for around $3.50 per 100 mg tablet. You can get 60 tablets of 50mg generic metaprolol for $4 at WalMart. You just have to take 2 a day instead of 1. BUT you save $100 per month. You have to tell the Doc that that is how you want your prescription written - 50mgs generic metaprolol - twice a day... you pay $4 per prescription, not the number of tablets. (or just buy it that way over the net) At $4, you really won't save any money trying to buy it over the net. You have to be a shopper here.

Find affinity groups for what ails you. Whatever you've got there are many websites with forums where real people discuss the problem and where to find solutions.

Why am I telling you this stuff. Because for a lot of people this is a means of survival - the choice between drugs and food is made everyday and usually food wins.


Not to mention a drug that has a direct cost of less than a penny per dose being sold for $5 or $10 more than irritates me.

Don't get me started on research costs. Drug companies spend far more money on marketing than research. The new model is that drug companies don't do much research at all. Small companies and universities are doing most of it. When they find something, the major drug companies swoop in and buy buy it and finish the trials. Expensive? Yes, but generally nothing like the $800 million dollar figure that keeps getting printed as the cost for a new drug. Like I said, don't get me started.

If you need something really expensive and can't find it, send me a private email and I will see if I know someone who knows something about where to get it that you don't. Sorry to be obtuse but I don't need the drug police giving me a hassle.

For the flamers:

Yes, I know that there are irresponsible people out there and the comments that they should give up their cell phones for their drugs are all true. But there are millions of people where that is not the case. I don't know how to separate the two.

Also, I am well aware that you can throw yourself on the mercy of the drug companies and file financial history and ability to pay reports and maybe get a few pills (most people don't make the cut) but that is not a solution that is realistic... just as many hard working people would never dream of going to the ER and telling them that they can't afford to pay. They just tough it out and usually the outcome is not good.

And yes, people make choices and these choices bring them to their state in life. Sometimes though, events happen that take really good, hard working people into situations that all of the good choices in their world couldn't save them.

The current tax and regulatory environment is not helping either. The Federal and State governments are paying many times what they could be paying for generic drugs. If I can buy a Z-Pack for $4, why can't Uncle Sam instead of extracting $25 from your pocket to do the same thing. Why did the new Medicare Part D legislation prohibit the negotiation of drug prices? How stupid are we?

In any event, if you don't agree with what I have just said, it obviously does not apply to you.

PS. I should have known someone was going to ask me this question, this is all the time I have for it right now. I had intended to do this all along in more detail but for now this will have to do. I think guerrilla medicine from a number of different fronts is needed. Well, more on this someday.

I hope this helps.
18 posted on 04/19/2008 7:13:29 PM PDT by Ron/GA
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To: Ron/GA

Thanks for the info. Makes sense.


19 posted on 04/20/2008 3:11:14 AM PDT by jslade (People who are easily offended......OFFEND ME!)
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