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Cleric Sadr threatens "open war" on Iraq government
abc news ^ | Apr 19, 2008 | Dean Yates and Wisam Mohammed

Posted on 04/19/2008 3:42:06 PM PDT by Red Steel

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr on Saturday threatened an "open war" against the Iraqi government unless it halted a crackdown by Iraqi and U.S. security forces on his followers.

The specter of a full-scale uprising by Sadr sharply raises the stakes in his confrontation with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, who has threatened to ban the anti-American cleric's movement from political life unless he disbands his militia.

A rebellion by Sadr's Mehdi Army militia -- which has tens of thousands of fighters -- could abruptly end a period of lower violence at a time when U.S. forces are starting to leave Iraq.

"I'm giving the last warning and the last word to the Iraqi government -- either it comes to its senses and takes the path of peace ... or it will be (seen as) the same as the previous government," Sadr said, referring to Saddam Hussein's fallen regime, without elaborating.

"If they don't come to their senses and curb the infiltrated militias, then we will declare an open war until liberation."

Sadr's movement accuses other Shi'ite parties of getting their militias into the Iraqi security forces, especially in southern Shi'ite Iraq where various factions are competing for influence in a region home to most of Iraq's oil output.

Sadr launched two uprisings against U.S. forces in 2004.

His movement then entered politics and backed Maliki's rise to power in 2006. But the youthful Sadr split with Maliki, a fellow Shi'ite, a year ago when the prime minister refused to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

"Do you want a third uprising?" Sadr said, adding that he wanted Iraq's Shi'ite clerical establishment to set a date for the departure of American troops.

In Sadr's Baghdad stronghold of Sadr City, one Mehdi Army commander said he was "thrilled" about the statement.

"We will wait until tomorrow to see the response of the government. Otherwise they will see black days like they have never seen before i

Sadr's threat could not come at a worse time. On Friday, U.S. forces said they had intelligence suggesting Sunni Islamist al Qaeda, pushed out of Baghdad and western Iraq last year, was plotting a return to the capital to stage major bomb attacks.

ROCKETS HIT HOSPITAL

In Baghdad, police described battles between security forces and gunmen that began on Friday in Sadr City as among the heaviest in the capital since Maliki launched a crackdown on the Mehdi Army in the southern city of Basra late last month.

Police said 12 people had been killed in the Shi'ite slum. Hospitals said they received more than 130 wounded overnight.

Late on Saturday, Ali Bustan, head of the health directorate in the eastern section of Baghdad, said three rockets hit the Sadr Hospital in the slum. It was unclear if there were any casualties. The U.S. military said it was not to blame.

Bustan said the bodies of three women had been brought in along with 40 wounded people following fresh clashes.

Maliki has threatened to ban Sadr's movement from provincial elections this year if the cleric does not disband his militia.

In response, Sadr has threatened to formally scrap a ceasefire he imposed on the Mehdi Army last August, which has already been hanging by a thread given recent clashes.

In his statement, Sadr did not refer to the truce, but his spokesman in the holy city of Najaf, Salah al-Ubaidi, said the cleric was not bluffing.

"We mean every word," Ubaidi told Reuters.

Sadr issued his warning after Iraqi soldiers swooped on the Mehdi Army's stronghold in Basra. Iraqi officials said they now controlled the bastion, known as the Hayaniya district.

The dawn raid by government troops there was backed by a thunderous bombardment by U.S. warplanes and British artillery.

Maliki's initial crackdown on the militia in Basra last month was criticized by U.S. commanders as poorly planned.

It failed to drive the Mehdi Army from the streets and sparked battles across the south and in Sadr City, the cleric's Baghdad stronghold. The government dismissed 1,300 soldiers and police for refusing to fight in Basra, the port for most of Iraq's oil exports.

On Saturday by contrast, Harith al-Idhari, head of the Sadr office in Basra, said the militia had not put up any resistance, in observance of a ceasefire declared by the cleric.

Major-General Abdul-Karim Khalaf, an interior ministry spokesman, described the Basra operation as a major success.

(Additional reporting by Peter Graff, Khaled Farhan, Noah Barkin and Aws Qusay in Baghdad; Editing by Jon Boyle)


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: iraq; mookie; sadr
Iraqi Shi'ite radical leader Muqtada al-Sadr delivers a
sermon to worshippers during the weekly Friday noon
prayers at the Kufa mosque near Najaf, 160 km (100
miles) south of Baghdad May 26, 2006. (Ali Abu Shish/Reuters)
1 posted on 04/19/2008 3:42:07 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Screw the rules of engagement. Let's go after the sadr dogs. If we cannot, then I suggest we withdraw from Iraq right now.

Enough with politics!

2 posted on 04/19/2008 3:45:02 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Red Steel
Will someone, anyone please push a button on this mutt! He is nothing but a fat a&&ed punk with a big mouth. When it gets too hot politicallt the runs away to Iran.

Drag his fat behind into the street and give him an old fashioned public fanny whipping.

He will cry like a little girl.

3 posted on 04/19/2008 3:45:07 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Red Steel
Cleric Sadr threatens "open war" on Iraq government

I'm trying to see why this might be bad news...I really am...

4 posted on 04/19/2008 3:54:24 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored (I came, I snarked, I conquered.)
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To: Red Steel

For a while no threads on this, then a bunch. The war will be short if it starts at all. Maybe Iran will come in overtly. That might be a plus, but not for Japan or China.


5 posted on 04/19/2008 3:58:21 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Red Steel

Some people just need killing.


6 posted on 04/19/2008 4:02:13 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Jimmy Valentine

It would be better to drag him out into the street and give him two in the back of the head.


7 posted on 04/19/2008 4:06:29 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: MinorityRepublican

This pr**k should have bee “taken out” years ago when his thugs tortured and killed, then mutilated and burned th corpses of four U.S. soldiers or Marines. Why hasn’t Bush given the word to take him out?


8 posted on 04/19/2008 4:10:09 PM PDT by levotb
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To: Red Steel
> "Do you want a third uprising?" Sadr said, adding that he wanted Iraq's Shi'ite clerical establishment to set a date for the departure of American troops.

Well, it's a closed question: yes or no. I'm going to guess that the Iraqi government is going to pick "yes".



He's got a distinctly hangable look on his face: he'd probably look great as a lamp-post decoration.
9 posted on 04/19/2008 4:32:12 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Red Steel
What, he didn't engage in an ‘open war’ before?
10 posted on 04/19/2008 4:34:45 PM PDT by paudio (Michelle Obama: a Typical Black Woman)
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To: Red Steel

If they conduct “Open war”, and he directs it from Iran...then a JDAM, that’s “Just Damn” for the Jihadist leadeers, should have his name written all over it and land on his head in iran soonest.


11 posted on 04/19/2008 4:39:33 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Red Steel
Glad to see ya Go go go go goodbye!


12 posted on 04/19/2008 4:39:54 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (If you're not following Jesus, just who are you following, and where are they leading you?)
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To: levotb

I’m a little bit tired with President Bush. With John McCain as our next President, hopefully he has what it takes to finish the job in Iraq.


13 posted on 04/19/2008 4:44:58 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: levotb

Proly because Bush has more to gain by letting this piece of feces live than die. Bush doesn’t want to offend his good buddies, the Saudis.


14 posted on 04/19/2008 4:47:36 PM PDT by Levante
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To: MinorityRepublican

You said it, brother. Kill this punk and every damn one of his dirt eating followers. Violence and death are the only thing they understand and the only thing they live for.

We should give him the war he’s threatening, starting with the carpet bombing of Sadr City and a bullet through his fat head.


15 posted on 04/19/2008 5:00:35 PM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: Red Steel
Declaration from Mookie Halitosis:

“Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr on Saturday threatened an “open war” against the Iraqi government unless it halted a crackdown by Iraqi and U.S. security forces on his followers.”

You got it Mookie. The first bullet has your name on it. This pig needs to be greased post haste. Should have been done Years ago.

16 posted on 04/19/2008 5:06:47 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Screw the rules of engagement. Let's go after the sadr dogs. If we cannot, then I suggest we withdraw from Iraq right now. Enough with politics!

Sadr is much over hyped in reality (as he hides in Iran) - Outside of that, you seemingly don't understand COIN -

We continue to be successful in Iraq - We continue to be successful in this GWOT - Changing the world and pulling the ME out of the dark ages is going to be a 2 steps forward, 1 step backward process......Full stop. You either cowboy the hell up and understand this.....or we lose.

And hiding behind the foolish empty rhetoric that "politics" are the reasons why XY & Z are not being done or carried out.....is BS, repeated oftenly by those who don't have a clue when it comes to COIN (which is where Iraq is at this time).

The times and places of OUR choosing.....And for the most part we have kept this GWOT in this realm since late 01...

There has always been valid reasons for having Iraqi forces be the ones to eventually knock out Mehdi and JAM forces...

17 posted on 04/19/2008 5:09:24 PM PDT by DevSix
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To: Red Steel

How will that be possible there have been many posts here saying he was finished. So don’t worry about it. “Sac off”


18 posted on 04/19/2008 5:11:59 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Red Steel
Open war? Fat chance. They will scurry like the rodents they are. But go ahead, grab some uniforms, make your formations and see what happens. My money is on the US Marines. They may only need to watch as they send the Iraqies to do their light work.
19 posted on 04/19/2008 5:20:46 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: aculeus

Amen brother.


20 posted on 04/19/2008 5:24:42 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Red Steel
No virgins for this AH:-)

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21 posted on 04/19/2008 5:51:54 PM PDT by geo40xyz (McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?)
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To: MinorityRepublican; levotb; Allegra; DevSix
Why hasn’t Bush given the word to take him out?

IIRC, Sistani advised not to kill Sadr, as it would make him a martyr and cause his followers to ramp up the violence.

If I'm wrong, or mis-remembering, someone please correct me.

Perhaps you should do a bit of research on who you hope is the next president. YUK!

22 posted on 04/19/2008 6:47:33 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Levante

The Saudis are Sunni. Sadr is Shi’ite. Why would it offend the Saudis if Sadr was killed?


23 posted on 04/19/2008 6:49:08 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: DevSix
We continue to be successful in Iraq - We continue to be successful in this GWOT

Heard these same words from one of our wounded the other night. He is itching to get back to Iraq!

Good to "see" and hear from you again!

24 posted on 04/19/2008 6:53:14 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody

The Saudis consider Sadr as a heretic


25 posted on 04/19/2008 7:21:43 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Red Steel

Someone needs to put a bullet through this guys head.


26 posted on 04/19/2008 7:24:23 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The Saudis consider Sadr as a heretic

Then I repeat the question...
Why would it offend the Saudis if Sadr was killed?

27 posted on 04/19/2008 7:31:34 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Red Steel

Machts Nichts. The GoI never accepted his ceasefire or demands in March and has continued to engage. He is threatening war when it is already in progress for almost a month now...


28 posted on 04/19/2008 7:56:39 PM PDT by DJ Elliott
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To: Red Steel
"Moqtada al-Sadr on Saturday threatened an "open war"..."

The threat itself is declaration.

29 posted on 04/19/2008 8:19:00 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Red Steel

Is this guy even alive?


30 posted on 04/19/2008 8:21:31 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Just A Nobody
IIRC, Sistani advised not to kill Sadr, as it would make him a martyr and cause his followers to ramp up the violence.

That has been said. And it's very likely true. Sadr City would probably boil over. However, the ramp-up would be temporary while the result would be positive and permanent. His followers have already ramped up the violence considerably over the last month.

It's time to put an end to this for once and for all. No more holding "ceasefires" over the Iraqis' and coalition's heads, no more fake truces - let's get it done.

31 posted on 04/19/2008 9:09:44 PM PDT by Allegra (Tehran delenda est)
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To: Just A Nobody

Thanks for the info.

It just seems we don’t want to win in Iraq. Are we trying to maintain some equilibrium? What’s going on? Why are we afraid to kill Sadr? Why don’t we stomp Iran, or at least kill their terrorists and wipe out their training camps?


32 posted on 04/19/2008 10:15:46 PM PDT by Levante
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To: Allegra
let's get it done.

I'm with ya! Thanks for the input. Hope all is well!

33 posted on 04/19/2008 11:16:47 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Levante
It just seems we don’t want to win in Iraq.

I disagree. I think what we are trying to do is WIN a long term, stable, peaceful ally in the ME. From what I am told, we ARE winning hearts and minds.

It is difficult for us to understand the culture over there and the tribal mentality. See my post #22. IMO Mookie is playing a deadly game now. He was given a chance and thus far he has failed miserably. It is time to take him out!

While I agree we should take care of Iran, since we are in the area and all, how do you propose to do that with the cowards and cretins in CONgre$$?

34 posted on 04/19/2008 11:25:35 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody

“While I agree we should take care of Iran, since we are in the area and all, how do you propose to do that with the cowards and cretins in CONgre$$?”

A first strike. However, more than cowards and cretins inhabit congress. There are plenty of TRAITORS there too. More than likely, they would alert Iran, probably even give them troop estimates, attack time tables, etc.

We’ll have to wait and see how this pans out.


35 posted on 04/20/2008 10:46:39 AM PDT by Levante
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