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The aerosol man -- (global warming deniers)Part XXXIII
National Post ^ | September 01, 2007 | Lawrence Solomon

Posted on 04/21/2008 10:28:29 AM PDT by Delacon

Stephen Schwartz knows as much about the effects of aerosols on climate change as anyone in the world, and he's worried. He believes climate change is so massive an economic issue that we face costs "in the trillions if not quadrillions of dollars." He thinks a Herculean effort and great sacrifice is required to get the world down to zero net increase in carbon dioxide concentrations, an effort he compares to that which the Allies undertook in their all-out war against Nazi Germany and Japan.

"Recall World War II, where everyone was making a sacrifice: gas rationing, tire rationing, no new car production, food rationing," he explains. "I don't think the people of the world are ready or prepared to make such a level of personal sacrifice. Perhaps when the consequences of climate change become more apparent that will change. But by that time, there will be irreversible changes in climate."

Few scientists speak with more conviction, or lay out the potential consequences of inaction more starkly. Yet Stephen Schwartz, senior scientist at Brookhaven National Laboratory, chief scientist of the Atmospheric Science Program of the United Stated Department of Energy, and author of the study some credit with spurring acid rain legislation in the 1990s, is also Al Gore's worst nightmare. He knows the science on global warming is not settled, as Gore claims. He knows society has antidotes to carbon dioxide -- aerosols -- that could postpone the day of reckoning far into the future. And although he dreads a reliance on the aerosols, he knows respected scientists are pursuing aerosol-abatement strategies, and that they could be cost effective and environmentally benign.

Aerosols are liquid or solid substances suspended in air. Many aerosols, such as those associated with cloud formation or those that stem from volcanic emissions, occur naturally. Others, such as emissions from automobiles, smokestacks and coal plants, come of industrial activity.

We know a lot about the carbon dioxide that comes of fossil fuel burning. But we know relatively little about the aerosols that industrial activity produces simultaneously. What we do know will surprise many people: The aerosols act as cooling agents, counteracting the warming effect of the carbon dioxide. Every lump of coal, in effect, contains a store of substances, some of which warm, some of which cool, the atmosphere.

Dr. Schwartz thinks he has a good handle on the degree of warming that comes of carbon dioxide. Here the science is fairly straightforward, he says, because we know how much carbon dioxide enters the atmosphere, we know how long it stays there -- 100 years -- and we know its distribution is fairly uniform globally.

But he doesn't know how much cooling aerosols provide -- the uncertainty surrounding aerosols' cooling properties has long been a dominant mystery in the climate change field. He can say the amount of cooling is very substantial, likely offsetting most of the carbon dioxide the planet produces, and possibly much, much more -- the uncertainty is that great. Conceivably, aerosols are so effective at cooling that humans could double the amount of coal, oil and natural gas we burn and find that aerosols entirely negate the warming for centuries to come.

Getting a handle on how much cooling comes of aerosols is daunting in the extreme. The aerosols come from literally billions of sources producing aerosol precursors that are oxidized in the atmosphere at varying rates, depending on their photochemical surroundings, which are themselves highly variable in space and time. Not only do the myriad aerosols vary in size and composition, they act differently depending on their sources, they interact unpredictably, and they are replaced every week with new generations of aerosols.

With enough time and money -- at least a decade if this area of research becomes fully funded -- research by Dr. Schwartz and others might make demonstrable headway in reducing the uncertainty surrounding aerosols' cooling properties. More likely several decades will be needed, because those who hold the purse strings have refused to see the paramountcy of this area of research. Although the work that needs to be funded on aerosols was spelled out in a 1996 National Academy of Sciences report, Dr. Schwartz laments, "the funding agencies have essentially ignored the urgent needs that the report spelled out."

As a result, the science in this potentially decisive area of climate change remains undone, and the state of the knowledge has made precious little advance. Without knowing the extent of cooling from aerosols, we can't know the extent of warming that threatens the Earth.

But no amount of funding for research can solve another mystery concerning aerosols, a mystery that is entirely unknowable, and one that may make the uncertainty over aerosols' cooling properties dwarf in importance. Knowing the future of aerosols requires having a crystal ball that can tell us what the global economy -- and its production of aerosols -- will look like decades or centuries hence.

The ability of aerosols to counteract the warming from man-made carbon dioxide will continue as long as aerosols increase their presence in the atmosphere at an exponential rate, Dr. Schwartz explains. This exponential rate has existed to date, as the historic record demonstrates. But eventually, Dr. Schwartz believes, for some reason or another aerosols will stop growing at an exponential rate, and when this occurs, the global warming threat could hit us with full force.

Or, with aerosols as an artificial remedy, it could not.

Aerosols do not need to be produced as a byproduct of industrial activity. They could be manufactured specifically to counteract greenhouse gases, for example via aerosol-producing wind-driven generators that would artificially brighten marine stratus clouds, an option that Dr. Schwartz thinks is likely to be environmentally benign.

These aerosol generators -- human-controlled global thermostats -- might give society the ability to offset the negative effects from carbon dioxide production. The issue would then not be environmental so much as economic, the choice being to abate carbon dioxide via a Kyoto-type treaty in order to bring down carbon dioxide levels, or to abate carbon dioxide's warming effects via environmentally benign aerosols. Faced with this choice, society may well be better off burning fossil fuels so as to maximize economic growth, and then using part of the increased wealth for future aerosol production, should it prove necessary.

"I think a strong argument can be made along those lines," Dr. Schwartz acknowledges, although he thinks the more prudent course lies in cutting carbon dioxide emissions today, rather than postponing the inevitable. That argument -- whether the pain of going onto a war footing today is worth the future gain -- ultimately belongs in a non-scientific forum, not with him. "My job as a scientist is to do the research upon which sound policies can be based. Once we have the research, society can make an informed decision." - Lawrence Solomon is managing director of Energy Probe Research Foundation and executive director of its Urban Renaissance Institute.

www.urban-renaissance.org LarrySolomon@nextcity.com

CV OF A DENIER

Stephen Schwartz, an award-win-ning scientist at Brookhaven National Laboratories, is author or co-author of some 340 journal articles, proceedings, reports and reviews. He received his PhD from the University of California, Berkeley. Dr. Schwartz is a Fellow of the American Geophysical Union and of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alarmists; climatechange; globalwarming; lawrencesolomon; skeptics
Back on 3/24 I rediscovered(hat tip Freeper Libwhacker)  a very overlooked series of articles written by Lawrence Solomon of the National Post that sought to show how there was no "consensus" on global warming. Mr. Solomon didn't have to dig up illuminati believing bloggers, corporate shills or political pundits to do it. He just found some of the most respected scientists in their respective fields of study. At the time, I could find 27 articles in the series. I since found there are 38 so far.  I will be posting the remaining 11 articles over the next few days. Mr. Solomon has just written a book based on the series called The Deniers: The World-Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud**and those who are too fearful to do so. Freepmail me with a request to join my "the deniers"/global warming ping list if you'd like. Here is the series:

The Post's series on scientists who buck the conventional wisdom on climate science. Here is the series so far:

Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X


End the chill -- The Deniers Part XI

Clouded research -- The Deniers Part XII
Allegre's second thoughts -- The Deniers XIII
The heat's in the sun -- The Deniers XIV
Unsettled Science -- The Deniers XV
Bitten by the IPCC -- The Deniers XVI
Little ice age is still within us -- The Deniers XVII
Fighting climate 'fluff' -- The Deniers XVIII
 
Science, not politics -- The Deniers XIX
Gore's guru disagreed -- The Deniers XX

The ice-core man -- The Deniers XXI

Some restraint in Rome -- The Deniers XXII
Discounting logic -- The Deniers XXIII
Dire forecasts aren't new -- The Deniers XXIV
They call this a consensus? -- Part XXV
NASA chief Michael Griffin silenced - Part XXVI
Forget warming - beware the new ice age -- Part XXVII
Open mind sees climate clearly -- Part XXVIII
Models trump measurements -- Part XXIX
What global warming, Australian skeptic asks -- Part XXX

In the eye of the storm of global warming -- Part XXXI
From chaos, coherence -- Part XXXII
The aerosol man -- Part XXXIII
The Hot Trend is cool yachts -- Part XXXIV
You still need your parka in Antarctica -- Part XXXV

IPCC too blinkered and corrupt to save -- Part XXXVI
Why melting of ice sheets 'is impossible' -- Part XXXVII
Climate change by Jupiter -- Part XXXVIII

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/pages/climate-change-the-deniers.aspx


1 posted on 04/21/2008 10:28:30 AM PDT by Delacon
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To: Delacon

“”Recall World War II, where everyone was making a sacrifice: gas rationing, tire rationing, no new car production, food rationing,” he explains. “I don’t think the people of the world are ready or prepared to make such a level of personal sacrifice.”

omg is this fool really comparing global warming with WW2?


2 posted on 04/21/2008 10:31:28 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Delacon

These articles make me want to fire up my Titan and drive it around just for fun. Last summer was a little chilly. Maybe if I drive more it will be warmer, just like my childhood summers.


3 posted on 04/21/2008 10:32:04 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; ...

Warming alarmists act like the only thing emitted in our carbon economy is CO2. How can there be a serious debate without discussing the properties and effects of all the other stuff that is emmitted as well? From the article:

“Conceivably, aerosols are so effective at cooling that humans could double the amount of coal, oil and natural gas we burn and find that aerosols entirely negate the warming for centuries to come.”


4 posted on 04/21/2008 10:32:15 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon

I am sickened to see Newt Gingrich together with Nancy Pelosi on a ‘public service’ commercial both agreeing on the reality of global warming....or climate change, or whatever the flavor of the month name is for this bullcrap.

He is such a WHORE.


5 posted on 04/21/2008 10:32:30 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Delacon
I am convinced there is a portion of our culture which is but one howling, frothing at the mouth moment from lining up and flagellating themselves across the continent and back in pennance for having changed that which they have no control over.

Welcome to the new Dark Age.

6 posted on 04/21/2008 10:32:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Slapshot68

I think its great that Mr. Solomon(the author of this series) is so fair that he even covers the opinions of an obvious global warming alarmist while still making the point that global warming alarmism is unfounded.


7 posted on 04/21/2008 10:35:35 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon

Aerosol’s are dangerous and need to be buried.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2002586/posts


8 posted on 04/21/2008 10:36:17 AM PDT by DancesWithBolsheviks
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks

Cancel that apostrophe.


9 posted on 04/21/2008 10:37:58 AM PDT by DancesWithBolsheviks
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To: Delacon
Stephen, take a look at some REAL data AH:-()

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Source http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_400k_yrs.html

10 posted on 04/21/2008 10:39:10 AM PDT by geo40xyz (McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?)
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To: geo40xyz

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_400k_yrs.html


11 posted on 04/21/2008 10:40:48 AM PDT by geo40xyz (McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?)
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To: Slapshot68

when WWII happened, we virtually shut down all industry in the U.S. which didn’t contribute to War Efforts. And people literally lived without in order to get through this period.

I guess that is what the global warming fanatics want - for everybody to just stop all industry which isn’t ‘green’ and stop consuming things until the planet gets back to its ideal temperature.

Oh wait, we don’t know what the planets ideal temperature is! Crap!!!! This is never going to work. We’re going to destroy the entire world economy and civilization as we know it and we don’t know when or if we’ve ever fixed the problem!!! Damn, this is was a horrible idea. Who came up with this crap in the first place???!?!!?!


12 posted on 04/21/2008 10:50:36 AM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 3, 2008)
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To: geo40xyz

looks to me like this is a repeating cycle which happens whether or not we existed or not. What the F are we all excited about then? We know what is going to happen next - a steady fall of temp over the next 100,000 years.

Unfortunately, Alwhore thinks this is suddenly a new phenomenom and we have to fix a 150,000 cycle in one decade or so. It’s like worrying that your clock keeps ticking forward and you didn’t get a chance to enjoy the previous second before it went away.


13 posted on 04/21/2008 10:55:51 AM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 3, 2008)
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To: Delacon

He forgot to mention the mother of all aerosols - water vapor. Even the NFL figured that one out.


14 posted on 04/21/2008 10:56:20 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Slapshot68
omg is this fool really comparing global warming with WW2?

It is a very appropriate comparison. The GW alarmist crowd wants to make GW the equivalent of war justifying drastic reductions in consumption. Rationing will be a logical approach to achieve drastic reductions in consumption.

The GW issue has become a moralist crusade similar to prohibition. The GW crowd wants to drastically change lifestyles especially for the US. If these Marxists prevail, we will see reduced expectations as a the future rule, not the American dream.

15 posted on 04/21/2008 11:04:32 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Delacon

I have advocated the use of Aerosols to enlarge the ozone holes to counteract greenhouses gases in the past. Of course I was being facetious, but why not. Use one hysteria to combat another.


16 posted on 04/21/2008 11:11:10 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Delacon

Carbon dioxide is at the lowest level it’s ever been in his planet’s history. I believe in global warming: it caused the Ice Ages to end by warming the planet up in between cycles. Nothing will convince me it’s man made.


17 posted on 04/21/2008 11:13:54 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Boycott Genocide. Boycott the Olympics.)
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To: Delacon

The number one global warming gas is water vapor. How do these geniuses propose we lower water vapor? (rhetorical question)


18 posted on 04/21/2008 11:17:38 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Boycott Genocide. Boycott the Olympics.)
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19 posted on 04/21/2008 11:18:27 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: Vaquero
"I am sickened to see Newt Gingrich together with Nancy Pelosi on a ‘public service’ commercial both agreeing on the reality of global warming....or climate change, or whatever the flavor of the month name is for this bullcrap."

I saw that and was completely disgusted too. He IS a whore.

20 posted on 04/21/2008 11:19:26 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Boycott Genocide. Boycott the Olympics.)
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To: Always Right

Wait for the next article I’ll post in the series. Its called “The Hot Trend is cool yachts — Part XXXIV”. Its about a guy who wants to shoot aerosols into the atomosphere using water vapor and yachts.


21 posted on 04/21/2008 11:26:56 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon
I don't think anyone is more tired of hearing this "Global Warming" claptrap than I am. You can't pray at a football game, but you'd sure as hell better bow your head in reverence to Al Gore. /sarcasm

The leftie loonies have raised millions for this "cause" and is even buying million dollar commercials to promote it.

The President and former Speaker Gingrich have even jumped on board.

However, everyday more and more evidence is brought forward that it's a big hoax, or at least that it is not man-made, but has something to do with the sun spots, etc.

What surprises me is, the liberals have jumped on the green-wagon with all their power, influence and money to promote it...yet the people who don't believe it exists just sit on their collective thumbs.

Oh, they write a few articles and quote some scientists who say it isn't so, but all the time the liberal lie is being put out there by everyone from the MSM to school children who have been throughly brainwashed by our public schools.

Why hasn't someone organized the "deniers" and raised money to buy ads to repute this madness? Why aren't we out selling "Carbon DEBITS" to demonstrate the silliness of it all?

I remember ads when I was a kid, on old B&W TV of a hammer smashing a radio to peices, with the word "Nyet"...it was an ad asking for support for Radio Free Europe to fight the propaganda and suppression of information overseas. It was quite effective.

Well it's about time for Radio Free America, to fight propaganda over here from the left.

Rush, Sean, and the rest do a lot, but they can't do it all, the "grass roots"...the "Silent Majority" has got to join in eventually to give legs to the truth and to what we want and believe as Americans.

Global Warming = Global Domination based on the temperature...won't that be humiliating to tell our great grandchildren that we gave up the most wonderful form of government in the history of mankind on account of the squawking of a few chicken-littles?

/rant off
22 posted on 04/21/2008 11:37:39 AM PDT by FrankR (OBAMA is the VAST WRIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY...)
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To: bpjam
"What the F are we all excited about then? "

We're stupid.

23 posted on 04/21/2008 11:53:19 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Boycott Genocide. Boycott the Olympics.)
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To: Delacon

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many "facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

More here

24 posted on 04/21/2008 11:57:07 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Boycott Genocide. Boycott the Olympics.)
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To: Slapshot68

Actually it is much worse to those folk who sincerely believe; to them adding a gallon of CO2 is like adding a gallon of water to a bucket - at some point, the bucket will overfill and spill - the tipping point.

Now, of all the things about which concern centers, aerosols are of primary importance and are the most tightly controlled and prohibited members of emissions spewed on a daily basis in the form of VOCs, PMIs, HCs, SO2s, NO2s, NOXs, carbon soot, dust particles down even to the sub-micron range and fugitive releases of heavy elements in mist or gas; how in the world would anyone think they could buck such a trend?

You want to pave Paradise? Spray the dirt with water first or risk going to jail.

The simple truth is that all the things he said we know about carbon dixide in the first paragraph are the things we know least.

We have reached a tipping point; the problem is, it is the tipping point of common sense and not verified science.


25 posted on 04/21/2008 11:59:03 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Delacon
Do ya suppose the good Professor is only drinking "green tea" in that mug? Or maybe a little essence of distilled potato??? (Note the slight tilt to his LEFT)


26 posted on 04/21/2008 12:02:26 PM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: texson66

he’s drinking kool-aid...


27 posted on 04/21/2008 12:05:32 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Delacon
I'm all for making a self propelled machine that burns used tires and distrubutes the carbon black onto the polar ice caps.

And paving south America. All of it.

/johnny

28 posted on 04/21/2008 12:17:42 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Delacon

Wow, unintended consequences might attach to this.


29 posted on 04/21/2008 2:23:46 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama: America is the greatest country on the earth, Help me bring change.)
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To: Mike Darancette

As opposed to biofuels and cap and trade?


30 posted on 04/21/2008 2:26:43 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon
The earth managed to exist for 6 billion years without a moment's thought about aerosols whatsoever.

During this puny-brained twit's existense everything has changed.

It is now mandatory for everyone to stay awake nights worrying about this.

OK?

Maybe we should just lock this nut up in a room with that other nut, James Hansen, feed them three times a day and throw away the key; and go about our business.

31 posted on 04/22/2008 12:01:39 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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