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Bruce told to leave podium over remark about Mexican workers (Colorado)
Greeley Tribune ^ | 4/21/08 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/21/2008 1:03:54 PM PDT by NorCoGOP

DENVER — Republican Rep. Douglas Bruce was ordered to leave the podium of the Colorado House of Representatives on Monday after calling Mexican workers "illiterate peasants."

Bruce made the comment during a debate on a bill that would allow the state to help immigrant workers get temporary visas from the federal government.

The Mexican Consulate in Denver did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

The bill is designed to ease a shortage of farmworkers in Colorado.

Bruce, of Colorado Springs, has had had other run-ins since arriving at the Capitol in January as a midterm appointee to fill a vacancy.

He became the first Colorado lawmaker censured by the House after he kicked a newspaper photographer for taking his picture during a prayer. Republicans later removed him the powerful State, Veterans and Military Affairs Committee because he refused to co-sponsor a resolution honoring military veterans.

Bruce said he believed resolutions were a waste of time because they have no legal impact.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; immigration; peasants; peones
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1 posted on 04/21/2008 1:03:54 PM PDT by NorCoGOP
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To: NorCoGOP

You can only say things like that if you are a Democrap!


2 posted on 04/21/2008 1:05:20 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: NorCoGOP

Sounds like he never learned how to play well with others.


3 posted on 04/21/2008 1:05:59 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: NorCoGOP

So, did anyone offer any evidence that what he said was not true?

I thought not........


4 posted on 04/21/2008 1:06:45 PM PDT by G-Bear (Religiously, five times a day, I turn my back on Mecca and fart!)
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To: NorCoGOP; george76
bump

5 posted on 04/21/2008 1:06:57 PM PDT by XeniaSt (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: NorCoGOP

Isn’t that what they’re called in Mexico?


6 posted on 04/21/2008 1:07:00 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: NorCoGOP

What a dope! Now instead of focusing on the issue, the libs have something to whine about and be victimized. Some people just shouldn’t be put in front of a mic where they can really mess it up.


7 posted on 04/21/2008 1:07:35 PM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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To: NorCoGOP

This guy was already developing an international reputation as a grandstanding idiot before his latest remarks.


8 posted on 04/21/2008 1:11:03 PM PDT by HAL9000 ("If someone who has access to the press says something over and over again, people believe it"- B.C.)
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To: NorCoGOP

How dare he speak the truth! Everyone knows that illegal alians are far better educated than we Americans. That’s why they have all the good jobs!


9 posted on 04/21/2008 1:11:56 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: NorCoGOP

I don’t get it. His definition was very descriptive and true. Most illegals are uneducated and they are peaseants.


10 posted on 04/21/2008 1:12:10 PM PDT by caisson71 (Times change, values don't.)
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To: NorCoGOP

Yes, this is the kind of thing that happens with zero tolerance of other people’s ideas. Illiterate peasants are just that and if most illegals are then what is the harm is telling he truth and what is the harm in saying it even if it is not the truth, the traditional thing is to give an opposing point of view not deny the speaker time to talk. Dems are for enslaving us, if you can’t see that you can’t see anything.


11 posted on 04/21/2008 1:13:00 PM PDT by calex59
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To: NorCoGOP

This guy has been a loose canon right from the start. Right or wrong on this one latest issue is irrelevent because of his past and inflamatory words. He is doing harm to an already weakening GOP in Colorado with his antics. If it were up to me, he’d be gone today. It doesn’t take long when you listen to him talk before a wide range of questions come to mind, not the least of which is: is this really the best guy Colo. Springs can find to represent them?


12 posted on 04/21/2008 1:13:35 PM PDT by mad puppy (Never have I felt so politically radical and I swear I didn't move an inch.)
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To: NorCoGOP
By and large illegal aliens ARE illiterate peasants!

Of course we aren't supposed to say or even think of such things.

13 posted on 04/21/2008 1:13:36 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: wolfcreek
Isn’t that what they’re called in Mexico?

On construction work throughout Latin Ameirca, the word used for laborers was peones. 

It must have been how he said it...

14 posted on 04/21/2008 1:14:50 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: NorCoGOP
The real story is that CO and AZ are scrambling to implement some type of guest worker program to go along with their get-tuff-on-illegals policy.

Like duhhhhhhh.

15 posted on 04/21/2008 1:15:29 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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You’re not supposed to use insulting words. He could have said “under-schooled” working class???


16 posted on 04/21/2008 1:16:23 PM PDT by zip.com
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To: G-Bear
Mexico's literacy rate in 91%, and for the age group that most illegal immigrants fall into (16-45) more like 95%.

Only 18% of the Mexican population is engaged in agriculture as their occupation.

Therefore his characterization of illegal Mexican immigrants as "illiterate peasants" is not really accurate.

17 posted on 04/21/2008 1:16:34 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: NorCoGOP

Back to sensitivity training for him. They are not “illiterate peasants”, they are “reading challenged, nomadic, non-property owners”


18 posted on 04/21/2008 1:16:56 PM PDT by infantrywhooah
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To: NorCoGOP
He became the first Colorado lawmaker censured by the House after he kicked a newspaper photographer for taking his picture during a prayer.

I Think I LIKE this guy!

19 posted on 04/21/2008 1:18:31 PM PDT by NRA1995 (Bill Clinton: HILLARY!'s other big ass)
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To: NorCoGOP

Bruce is one tough cookie. He gave us TABOR, the Taxpayer Bill Of Rights, that bans tax increases or new taxes without voter approval!

Saying what he said as a representative of the people is out of line. I have no love for illegal aliens but our government must always be polite and dignified even when declaring war. I love Bruce and his ideas but he needs to represent the people with tact.


20 posted on 04/21/2008 1:18:59 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: VRWCmember
Sounds like he never learned how to play well with others.

That about sums it up.

21 posted on 04/21/2008 1:19:14 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: CodeToad

He wasn’t talking about illegals. He was talking about legal guest workers.


22 posted on 04/21/2008 1:21:41 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: CodeToad
I love Bruce and his ideas but he needs to represent the people with tact.

Fat chance. He's his own worst enemy.

23 posted on 04/21/2008 1:21:43 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: NorCoGOP
calling Mexican workers "illiterate peasants."

Yes, but were they bitter people hanging on to God, guns and racism?

24 posted on 04/21/2008 1:23:41 PM PDT by umgud
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To: mad puppy
He is doing harm to an already weakening GOP in Colorado with his antics.

Yep.

is this really the best guy Colo. Springs can find to represent them?

No, not by a long shot. He got in on a vacancy committee vote. I understand there is a good Republican getting ready to take him on in the next election.

25 posted on 04/21/2008 1:23:58 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: G-Bear

“after he kicked a newspaper photographer for taking his picture during a prayer”

Loose cannon? I don’t know, I’ve never heard of him before today. If this is true, I’m certainly trepidicious.


26 posted on 04/21/2008 1:24:13 PM PDT by traintown57
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To: KoRn

He should have directed his condemnation not at these illiterate peasants but to the corrupt Mexican government that denies them a decent living. Besides, I trust these peasants more than the many Muslims that enter our country legally.


27 posted on 04/21/2008 1:25:37 PM PDT by 353FMG (Don't mistake Government as being a Friend of the People)
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To: vpintheak
How dare he speak the truth! Everyone knows that illegal alians are far better educated than we Americans

The topic was not about illegal aliens. The debate was about assisting workers with their work visas (which refers to people who are or are attempting to be in the US legally). Furthermore, according to the article he described "Mexican workers" (not illegal aliens) as illiterate peasants.

DENVER — Republican Rep. Douglas Bruce was ordered to leave the podium of the Colorado House of Representatives on Monday after calling Mexican workers "illiterate peasants."

28 posted on 04/21/2008 1:28:13 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: NorCoGOP
How do you stop someone from making a factual statement.
29 posted on 04/21/2008 1:28:18 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: NorCoGOP

Who ordered him? Has the First Amendment been suspended at the Colorado House of Representatives?


30 posted on 04/21/2008 1:28:48 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: wolfcreek
Isn’t that what they’re called in Mexico?

The term is "Chuntaro" or "Campesino", which are terms for indian peasants, mostly illiterate.

31 posted on 04/21/2008 1:34:32 PM PDT by Spirochete
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To: mad puppy
He is doing harm to an already weakening GOP in Colorado with his antics. If it were up to me, he’d be gone today. It doesn’t take long when you listen to him talk before a wide range of questions come to mind, not the least of which is: is this really the best guy Colo. Springs can find to represent them?

You're right. What's more, these sorts of antics help to weaken Bruce's one real success, the Taxpayer's Bill of Rights (TABOR). Now that TABOR has been in operation for several years, it's clear that there are a few weaknesses which need to be addressed. But Mr. Bruce has vowed not to budge -- and TABOR will come off looking bad as a result.

Here's the real irony: he was appointed, not elected, by a "vacancy committee" to fill the unexpired term of Bill Cadman. The geniuses who made the appointment are, of course, unaccountable to the voters. (A story on the appointment process is here.)

Bruce's appointment never made much sense to me -- his similar antics made him a failure as a county commissioner; and you had to see even at the time that this sort of things as being almost a dead certainty. And of course, he's made himself the issue again -- and thus he'll be ineffective.

And now, unless Bruce gets booted in the primaries, I wouldn't be surprised if the seat actually went over to a Democrat this time.

32 posted on 04/21/2008 1:36:13 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: VRWCmember

When you deal with crap on a regular basis it is very hard to be dignified. In Colorado we have been dealt a major portion of the illegal menu. Kinda guess it comes down to truth and attitude. Tell it like it is Bruce.


33 posted on 04/21/2008 1:38:26 PM PDT by Sterco
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To: expat_panama

“It must have been how he said it...”

Or the fact he wasn’t smiling.


34 posted on 04/21/2008 1:38:40 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: NorCoGOP

The bill is designed to ease a shortage of farmworkers in “Colorado.”

Got lots of prisons filled with people that have nothing to do. Get them to work for 5.00/hr to pay off the prison system they use.


35 posted on 04/21/2008 1:39:42 PM PDT by edcoil
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To: NorCoGOP

If that were changed to...calling “President Bush an illiterate monkey.” ...he would have been invited to join the DNC and given a high position.


36 posted on 04/21/2008 1:40:49 PM PDT by papasmurf (Unless I post a link to resource, what I post is opinion, regardless of how I spin it.)
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To: NorCoGOP

If they are literate in English, why does the Colorado government offer paperwork in Spanish?

I can’t read Chinese or Portugese. I’d be illiterate there too. That’s what happens when you move somewhere without learning the language.


37 posted on 04/21/2008 1:41:47 PM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

By and large, I think that our legal immigrants do the best that they can to assimilate. His comment was denegrating to them. If they didn’t have the burden of being classified in the same category as their illegal counterparts, Maybe we could understand that there are really people in this world that still come here because they believe in the “American Dream”
I coached little league in a “depressed neighborhood” for many years and the difference was stark. I’ve always believed that we were a contry of immigrants but this was my first experience in seeing that some are here because they want to become Americans and some are here only to suck the very blood out of the veins of the benevolent benefactors to the world. Big difference ,and IMHO, one worth fighting for.


38 posted on 04/21/2008 1:43:18 PM PDT by traintown57
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To: NRA1995

The problem is: for every good idea he has, he has numerous insulting outbursts that wreck it for everyone who is for smaller government.

He delayed his swearing in so that he could skirt term-limits rules when he runs for reelection. But when he submitted his expense report, he included those days (they get a per diem).

He is a name-caller and a grandstander. He refused to sign the joint resolution honoring veterans and so many members of the public complained about him that his own party removed him from the Veterans and Military Affairs Committee.

When he kicked the reporter, he was censured; the first representative to ever be formally censured.

There’s more, but you get the idea.


39 posted on 04/21/2008 2:06:49 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: r9etb
There were reports at the time in the CS Indy (the local liberal/"independent" weekly newspaper) that the liberals in the State House were hoping with crossed fingers that Bruce would be appointed because it would be great for Democrats.

That seems to have been entirely true.

40 posted on 04/21/2008 2:16:27 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: NorCoGOP

There is no need to hurl insults to make a point. This guy just sounds dumb. Not helpful.


41 posted on 04/21/2008 3:22:26 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Beijing 2008. Moscow 1980 Olympic Games for murdering regimes.)
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To: G-Bear

“So, did anyone offer any evidence that what he said was not true?”

A GAFFE is when a politician is caught accidently telling the truth.

I last used the above line during the Ferraro (”Barack wouldnt be where he is if he were white”) kerfuffle.


42 posted on 04/21/2008 3:45:58 PM PDT by WOSG (Gameplan: Obama beats Hillary, McCain beats Obama, conservatives beat RINOs)
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To: mountainbunny

Yeah I know the idea. He cut all the liberals in Colorado off of their charge and run account. He made a lot of enemies on that one alone. The tax-payers of Colorado now can hold the spenders to credible limits on spending. Damn what a concept!!! Sure made a lot of people mad didn’t he?


43 posted on 04/21/2008 3:53:20 PM PDT by Sterco
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To: WOSG

Conservatives in Colorado do not take Bruce to task. That lets you know who is here touting opinions that are not conservative. Bruce did what was asked of him. As far as his opinion on Mexican nationals within our states borders he has done nothing more or less than tell the truth. The truth hurts. I know. We live with it on a daily basis in Colorado when it comes to illegal Mexican nationals.


44 posted on 04/21/2008 4:08:14 PM PDT by Sterco
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To: G-Bear
Exactly! I lived in Colorado for years and as I recall, he was responsible for drafting an ingenious tax law that restricted state government from spending unused tax income. They had to have a general vote or give it back to the citizens. I always thought of him as a non-nonsense, full responsibility, totally accountable, and hard working representative... and a smart lawyer to boot.
45 posted on 04/21/2008 4:22:28 PM PDT by Track9 (Liberalism is a Plague on the Free world)
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To: Track9
I lived in Colorado for years ....

Lived, past tense. I'm a present-tenser, living in Colorado Springs. Mr. Bruce may have been "no-nonsense" at some point (though I doubt it), but he's mostly nonsense now. He doesn't think before he speaks, and he says a lot of incredibly stupid things. Thus any position he takes, no matter how valid, is tainted by association.

46 posted on 04/21/2008 4:37:11 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

That’s too bad to hear. I lived just north of the republic of Boulder and he was always the liberals nemesis and I admired him for it. I also remember hearing how he crafted the tax proposition, whichever numer it was (9?) so thoroughly incorruptible that other states used it as a model to combat liberal taxation agendas.


47 posted on 04/21/2008 4:55:28 PM PDT by Track9 (Liberalism is a Plague on the Free world)
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To: Track9

When you live in a state that is partially occupied by the Peoples Republic of Boulder you have to take a real firm stance against liberals that show up anywhere. Our liberals take the cake.


48 posted on 04/21/2008 5:02:54 PM PDT by Sterco
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To: Sterco
OK, so whats the big deal about Doug Bruce.. so hes not PC. Not caring a rats behind what do-gooders think, while not politically expedient, sure is a breath of fresh air don't you think?
49 posted on 04/21/2008 5:16:17 PM PDT by Track9 (Liberalism is a Plague on the Free world)
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To: vpintheak

“Everyone knows that illegal alians are far better educated than we Americans.”

I’d put money on any random handful of Mexican kids being academically smarter a random sample of the lowest performing 1/3 to 1/2 the kids in the public school system in my county.


50 posted on 04/21/2008 5:19:41 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Carbon is the fifth most abundant element on the planet.)
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