Racist master, 2009: "But Muffy, without our Mexican illegals, whover shall pick our lettuce cheaply?"
Choosing some cheap labor, 1860:
Choosing some cheap labor, 2008:
Posted on 04/25/2008 6:04:15 AM PDT by 300magnum
WASHINGTON - The government's plan to crack down on illegal workers could cost employers more than $1 billion a year and legal workers billions in lost wages, a study commissioned by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says.
Those costs are enough to trigger a federal law that would require the Homeland Security Department to analyze more thoroughly the effect of its proposal, said Richard Belzer, a consultant hired by the chamber to do the study. It was made available to The Associated Press on Thursday.
The department's proposed "no match" rule would require employers to fire workers who can't resolve mismatches between their name and Social Security number. The chamber opposes the proposal.
Belzer's study will be among public comments submitted to the Homeland Security Department on the proposal. The department could adopt the proposal after reviewing the comments. The deadline for comments is Friday.
Social Security sends no-match letters to employers. They often occur because someone is working illegally, but a mismatch can also take place because of typos, misspellings and name changes, among other reasons.
The Homeland Security Department issued average costs for employers based on how many employees they have and what percent might be unauthorized workers. It determined there would not be a heavy cost to employers.
Belzer, a former economist with the Office of Management and Budget, looked at overall costs and multiplied the average costs by the number of employers in each category. He also used the Homeland Security's estimates that 2 percent of legal workers a year would lose their jobs because they can't resolve the Social Security mismatch.
That adds up to between 37,000 to 137,000 unable to get work. Belzer estimated their lost wages would be from $8 billion to $37 billion.
Belzer said the crackdown could cost employers who have to carry out administrative paperwork when their employees are affected. The loss of employees could also affect a company's ability to produce goods.
His cost estimates are based on the department's now -suspended plan to enforce the no-match rule after the government sent 140,000 employers no-match letters, each with about 10 or more names. A U.S. district judge blocked the plan last October after groups opposed to it sued. The department is appealing.
A law in place since 1981 requires agencies to do a comprehensive study of proposed regulations if the cost exceeds $100 million, said Belzer, an independent consultant.
"This is 10 times that," Belzer said. "They haven't done the level of analysis that for almost 30 years would be commonplace."
Russ Knocke, the department's spokesman, said while the he is "not shy to talk about the virtues of no-match, it's difficult to talk about something I have not seen."
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http://www.uschamber.org
8 billion illegals divided by 37 thousand equals $216,216. 8 billion illegals divided by 137 thousand equals $58,394.
Hmmmmm. $58K - $216K, I didn't know an illegal day laborer could pull in that mucho dinero. But, maybe my math is off.
I couldn't continue reading. We know their agenda.
No, I think we used to call it “fuzzy” math. Yours is fine, I’m sure.....
What a load of BS. Not cracking down on illegals has already cost legals hundreds of billions in lost wages.
And a crackdown on crack dealers costs them money too.
B F’n D
Maybe you forgot to add in the health care and education costs. Because if they weren't here allot of other people would be out of work. /sarc
I noticed they didn’t tackle the billion$ spent on illegals - by us - for their “free” medical care....nor the billion$ in welfare, et al., nor the billion$ spent keeping them up in prisons that are still much better than the homes they came from in Mexico. I am so weary of liberals telling me how good it is for me when someone breaks into my home and raids the quickly emptying fridge.
Here is what MATTERS:
1) Legal American citizens and legal immigrants put out of work by unfair, illegal labor
2) Lost Federal, State and City tax revenue on those dodging taxes keeping hiring under the table
3) Lost contributions to SSA, FICA, State unemployment, etc.
4) Insecurity of U.S. borders during a time of war
and more ...
The words “alien” are not mentioned once in context with the phrase “illegal worker”. This article is nothing but a lie.
Should cost ‘em about $50K per head...
Racist master, 2009: "But Muffy, without our Mexican illegals, whover shall pick our lettuce cheaply?"
Choosing some cheap labor, 1860:
Choosing some cheap labor, 2008:
Shouldn’t the title read - “Employers cost themselves $billions by knowingly breaking the law”?
What a bunch of crapola. Any excuse NOT to enforce our laws....disgusting.
“The government’s plan to crack down on illegal workers could cost employers more than $1 billion a year”
There is always a price to pay when YOU BREAK THE LAW!!!!!
Absolutely.
T O U G H
Illegal worker crackdown would SAVE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS $10's if not hundreds of $ BILLIONS
The government’s plan to crack down on illegal workers could cost employers more than $1 billion a year and legal workers billions in lost wages, a study commissioned by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says.
Tuff.
Shouldn’t have them on the payroll anyway. It costs the US way more to keep ‘em.
I'm breathlessly awaiting a follow-up study by the Chamber on the cost to the average Joe Taxpayer who is currently carrying the elephantine costs of welfare, free hospital, education, food stamps etal afforded to these same illegals.
At least, "business" get to pass the costs on to their clients and customers. We schlumps get to pass the costs on to our offspring if we survive that long.
Leni
Hogwash. Businesses and working citizens prospered in the 1950's and 1960's after a major crackdown on illegal aliens in the United States. In those decades of prosperity, it was also more common for workers to be paid for every hour worked.
The drive for cheaper labor, and massive unpaid overtime, has not been beneficial to most US companies, or the overall economy, in the United States over the long term.
PROBABLY put 5 billion in the pockets of American workers and legal immigrants
You know...that is a big issue with me. We are importing a slave class. Simply because it’s “voluntary” doesn’t make it decent, moral or right. If we wouldn’t treat an American citizen this way then it’s wrong. This doesn’t even touch on all of the other reasons that we should build the wall and penalize business who use them.
“He also used the Homeland Security’s estimates that 2 percent of legal workers a year would lose their jobs because they can’t resolve the Social Security mismatch.”
Who are these legal workers who cannot get their SS number to match their names? 2% of the working population?? Total fearmongering BS.
Do it! It’s not about how money it costs it’s about a nation of _laws_ executing the laws. This is why we pay taxes, not to give it to everyone who doesn’t want to work and foreign aid!
Come on guys— are your knees jerking? :-) If you re-read the article, you will see that the 37,000 to 137,000 unable to get work are not the illegals, but the estimated 2% of legal workers who are unable to resolve the mismatch. How 2/100 people could not be able to resolve the mismatch, I don’t know, but that is what DHS claims according to the article.
And the savings to the taxpayer would be exponentially higher. The taxpayers are the ones subsidizing the illegals for business and American workers are having their wages depressed by this illegal influx.
It’s a big issue with me also as it runs counter to the principle of equality under the law where all crimes (identity theft, tax evasion, etc) are all prosecuted the same regardless of who commits the crime.
I am just amazed at the incredible number of people violating the law and the governments response of looking the other way and then telling me how good it is for me.
I am baffled by efforts at amnesty that rewards people based on how long they violated the law.
Upon further thought perhaps some of them are unable (unwilling) to give their correct SS number as they are also collecting disability or unemployment payments on their SS number?
I think what they cost taxpayers is much more. The source for the report is linked.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61861
The bottom line, which you need to know for your own bottom line, is that U.S. taxpayers are giving more than $9,000 a year in cash or benefits to each immigrant, a third of whom are in the country illegally. That’s $36,000 for each immigrant household of four.
Because the U.S. has 37 million immigrants, legal and illegal, the national cost was more than $346 billion last year, which was twice our fiscal deficit
You're correct. I was a little too quick on the trigger.
This is simply astonishing. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is now putting out official studies to justify its members BREAKING THE LAW. This is what our perverse immigration policy has led to — businesses so addicted to the crack of cheap labor that they have lost all sense of morality and common sense.
1 Bilion $$? Big deal, that’s nothing. Those same employers are costing the American taxpayers dozens of times that amount, by providing the inducement of employment to the illegals who come up, commit crimes, and mooch off of our social services.
Richard Belzer—consultant.....The actor? Munch from Law and order SVU?
...said Richard Belzer, a consultant hired by the chamber to do the study.
Hey Belzer, bite me. Read this and see how YOU'D like it....
April 25, 2008
From: U.S. Chamber of Commerce
Attn: Richard Belzer
Re: You're FiredDear Richard,
Kindly be advised that as of today's date your contract has been terminated.
Unfortunately you cost too much and as such we are 'forced' to replace you with someone who will work for a more reasonable salary.
You are being replaced by a hard working illegal alien named Ricardo Baltazar from Mexico who will work for us at $8.00 per hour, and without benefits. Ricardo also said he's willing to work unlimited overtime at his regular hourly pay.
We trust you see our predicament, but given your previous comments we are sure you agree with your own firing.
However we do wish you to train him for your, oops his new job, and are willing to pay you $8.25 an hour for your knowledge.
Kindly respond by 4:00 pm EDT.
Best Wishes,
U.S. Chamber of Commerceps: Good luck finding a new job at your age and say Hi to the Mrs.
^%#*ing pinhead
Sounds like a bargain. Git 'er done!
Just wait until we see this new organization go into full swing ... The Aztlan Civil Liberties Union.
“He also used the Homeland Security’s estimates that 2 percent of legal workers a year would lose their jobs because they can’t resolve the Social Security mismatch.”
this is fiction
ANY social security number that was legally obtained CAN BE VERIFIED - Social Security knows where you got it and has archived the application that includes the documents you used to get it
most all of those documents - birth certificates, etc. - are NOT missing, you can always get copies
The biggest difference between 1860 and 2008, other than the unwilling vs. the willing, would be that in 1860, the individual slave owner paid whatever the costs were for "their" slaves. Today, that cost is being forced on the collective populace.
“Study: Illegal worker crackdown would cost employers $1B”
Too bad, so sad...at least I am not paying to educate their kids or house the criminal of them.
Elegant.
BTTT!
Yeah, that's where I stopped. The Chamber would bring back serfdom if they thought they could get away with it.
>>Hmmmmm. $58K - $216K, I didn’t know an illegal day laborer could pull in that mucho dinero. But, maybe my math is off.<<
They don’t pay that much to illegals, but the labor pimps might charge that much to customers. Seems like the IRS could be interested in some of these arrangements, but if the IRS did investigate, some rogue judge would put a stop to that.
But, maybe my math is off.
Smart-a$$. You're not supposed to question official studies.
Good point!
Bienvenido a la Unión de América del Norte
Thanks much for providing that information! I’ll incorporate it into my argument because the numbers are SHOCKING! Thanks again! :)
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