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To: Diamond
You forgot the due process argument;

No, I didn't. I assumed, apparently wrongly, that no one would be dense enough to try it after all the times that links to all the warrants were published here.

Not only that, the fact that hundreds of pro bono attorneys are representing those removed from the compound, representing them individually, would seem to indicate to a rational person that care was being taken not only in the civil child endangerment cause, but the parental/state custodial disagreement as well.

All those objecting on 4th amendment grounds, search and seizure, due process, etc., have yet to point out exactly where due process was violated, except for trumpeting the very shaky "fruit of the poison tree" argument regarding the 33 yo mentally ill woman's calls. Unfortunately when they do that, they are ignoring all the other substantiated allegations of child endangerment and parental custodial irregularities, which are now, at the judge's order, being sorted out.

I have no doubt that criminal charges will be forthcoming, and further, I have no doubt that the FLDS challenges to the removal of the minors from the ranch will come to nothing.

201 posted on 04/26/2008 8:17:59 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Judith Anne
I assumed, apparently wrongly, that no one would be dense enough to try it after all the times that links to all the warrants were published here....the fact that hundreds of pro bono attorneys are representing those removed from the compound, representing them individually, would seem to indicate to a rational person that care was being taken not only in the civil child endangerment cause, but the parental/state custodial disagreement as well.

I did not object on 4th Amendment grounds, although those issues may (or may not) come back to haunt them in criminal prosecutions. Call me dense if you want, but I am objecting to the mass seizure and transfer of custody without individual hearings, which you tacitly admit was done on "allegations of child endangerment and parental custodial irregularities, which are now, at the judge's order, being sorted out." [emphasis mine]. In other words, you are admitting that that the "sorting out" is after the fact of the rubber stamp order of transfer of custody, and not based on evidence adduced at individual hearings, which would have been impossible at that "hearing". It's ass backwards, and I'm sure the children's attorneys are just thrilled at the legal prospect of trying to get individual custody back months or years after the fact.

I suppose I should learn not to be shocked that such a brazen backwards power play can be pulled off in America with nary the batting of an eye, and that a heavy handed state further compounding the trauma of the overwhelming majority of the children who were not in imminent danger for the crimes of their scoundrel fathers is really no big deal, except to those victims further abused by it.

Cordially,

202 posted on 04/26/2008 9:12:10 PM PDT by Diamond
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