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Real reason Syrian base was wiped off the map
The Telegraph ^ | 4/25/08 | Con Coughlin

Posted on 04/25/2008 5:21:42 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

The reasons are twofold. When the Israelis first became concerned about the North Koreans' activities in Syria last summer, the Americans were negotiating a delicate deal to persuade Pyongyang to give up its nuclear programme in return for a relaxation of the trade sanctions that have crippled the North Korean economy. Had the Israelis gone public with the intelligence that the North Koreans were actively helping Syria to acquire nuclear technology, it might seriously have undermined Washington's diplomatic efforts. If the Americans want to expose North Korea's links to Damascus, that is their affair. For their part, the Israelis are happy to keep schtum.

The other reason the Israelis want to take a back seat is that they are keen not to reveal too much detail about the technical aspects of the air strike, which is regarded as the most sophisticated operation by the Israeli air force since Osirak. To carry out the attack undetected, the fighter-bombers had to be fitted with equipment that extended their bombing range, while the pilots also had to contend with the challenge of penetrating Syria's state-of-the-art, Russian-built air defence systems. The mission was so successful that the first that the Syrians knew of the attack was when their Turkish neighbours reported that the bombers had returned safely to their base in northern Israel.

The last thing the Israelis want is for the tactical details of their audacious raid to become public, particularly as they may need to use the same techniques again in the not-too-distant future. According to Hayden's closed-door briefing to Congress, last September's raid succeeded in destroying the Syrian facility long before a nuclear reactor could be assembled.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airstrikes; israel; middleeast; northkorea; nuke; sept6; sept62007; syria; syriannukes

1 posted on 04/25/2008 5:21:42 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

Which means the Russkie Air Defense Systems sold to Iran are so much scrap. No wonder the Israeli Air Force Chief as much as said “Iran - no problem”.


2 posted on 04/25/2008 5:28:25 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: Dawnsblood

Russia’s “state of the art” defense systems exposed as junk by U.S. standards is probably what has the democrats and their commie allies around the globe so pissed off about Israel this time.


3 posted on 04/25/2008 5:29:00 PM PDT by Radix (Sometimes a post is just a post.)
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To: Dawnsblood

Wow. Looking at those before and after photos, not only did the Israeli aircraft destroy the site, they also cleared the rubble and bulldozed it.


4 posted on 04/25/2008 5:29:46 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Dawnsblood
the likelihood is that the Iranian programme will suffer a similar fate.

What a sweet day that would be

5 posted on 04/25/2008 5:30:22 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: 1rudeboy
Wow. Looking at those before and after photos, not only did the Israeli aircraft destroy the site, they also cleared the rubble and bulldozed it.

Vaporized things don't need much bulldozing - and the twin towers were not destroyed by US either

6 posted on 04/25/2008 5:33:34 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: maine-iac7
What a sweet day that would will be.

There.
Fixed it for ya.

7 posted on 04/25/2008 5:33:34 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961
Thanks
8 posted on 04/25/2008 5:34:34 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: Dawnsblood
Israelis are happy to keep schtum.

I am schtuming, she is schtuming, we have schtumed...I think I got.

9 posted on 04/25/2008 5:36:03 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: maine-iac7

You need to take a closer look at the photos, and compare them to some aerials of Ground Zero (if you prefer).


10 posted on 04/25/2008 5:36:38 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
The bombing of the nuke factory is an entirely different scenario than the Twin Towers collapsing - and the resulting scene would/is quite different.

Your thin allusion to hoax is slimy - oh, and ignorant

11 posted on 04/25/2008 5:42:25 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: Dawnsblood
Is there any nexus between the Syria-N Korea connection and the hasty transport of Iraqi “WMDs” taken to Syria prior to the 2003 invasion?
12 posted on 04/25/2008 6:02:24 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Dawnsblood

in return for a relaxation of the trade sanctions that have crippled the North Korean economy...

This is an absurd statement. The NK economy was destroyed before a single sanction was imposed. Just look at the map of the earth at night and how little lighting there is in NK. No socialism/communism has destroyed the NK economy.


13 posted on 04/25/2008 6:11:44 PM PDT by appeal2 (Brilliance is typically the act of an individual, but great stupidity is reserved for the Gov't)
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To: Dawnsblood

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/978043.html

Mohammed ElBaradei is whining that the IAEA was not informed...Duhhh! We didn’t want the IAEA to warn the Syrians!


14 posted on 04/25/2008 6:13:11 PM PDT by RouxStir
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To: Rudder

Schtumy, but they made a schmeer out of those schmucks!


15 posted on 04/25/2008 6:16:19 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Dawnsblood
The mission was so successful that the first that the Syrians knew of the attack was when their Turkish neighbours reported that the bombers had returned safely to their base in northern Israel."

I would think that the site blowing up might have been their first clue.

16 posted on 04/25/2008 6:21:26 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (The night ThomasThomas wore his wolf suit and made mischief of one kind and another ....")
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To: maine-iac7

I’m alluding to a hoax? Lay off the sauce, you drunk, it’s still early.


17 posted on 04/25/2008 6:27:54 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Dawnsblood

Any possibility it was booty from Iraq that led to the radiation levels as some in internet land have proclaimed?


18 posted on 04/25/2008 6:31:30 PM PDT by eyedigress (If you aren't voting who cares about your opinion.)
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To: SERKIT

I guess I should have read ALL the replies.


19 posted on 04/25/2008 6:38:04 PM PDT by eyedigress (If you aren't voting who cares about your opinion.)
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To: Dawnsblood

I think the real reason for the particular timing of the attack was that the Chinese were about to break ground on a refinery project nearby that site. To wait any longer might risk a serious international incident involving the death of Chinese nationals. No doubt the Syrians, N Koreans and Chinese collaborated on this refinery “shield” defense.

Otherwise, as with the Osirak reactor in Iraq, the attack would have made more sense to wait for the nuclear facility to be further along before destroying it, assuming the air defenses were already in place.


20 posted on 04/25/2008 6:54:57 PM PDT by Tenega
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To: jeffers; Cap Huff; Straight Vermonter

No leaks from the briefing yesterday...I thought for sure someone would run to their favorite NY Times reporter and spill the beans...:-)


21 posted on 04/25/2008 7:00:22 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog

“No leaks from the briefing yesterday...I thought for sure someone would run to their favorite NY Times reporter and spill the beans...:-)”

Maybe the Israelies would have an answer to that, too. Imagine NY Slime “journalist”/operative getting knocked off by an Israeli intelligence officer just to make a point. The RATS would hyper-ventilate.


22 posted on 04/25/2008 7:16:09 PM PDT by RatRipper
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Schure.


23 posted on 04/25/2008 7:25:26 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: RatRipper

Re your scenario about a NYT reporter being knocked off by Mossad, that would make a good script for a movie. File it under “Non-fiction”.

I nominate Sy Hersh. Anyone want to add to this list?

The Old Gray Lady should be called the Old Red Lady since its editor hates America. And the feeling is mutual.


24 posted on 04/25/2008 7:48:55 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: RouxStir
Mohammed ElBaradei is whining that the IAEA was not informed.

Really? What did Syria and NK say in response?

25 posted on 04/25/2008 8:00:18 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Dog

Saving it for the Sunday papers.


26 posted on 04/25/2008 9:13:11 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Dawnsblood; NormsRevenge; elhombrelibre; Allegra; SandRat; tobyhill; G8 Diplomat; Dog; Cap Huff; ...

Very interesting....


27 posted on 04/25/2008 11:07:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Dawnsblood
I'd like to think Israel could take out Iran's nuclear facilities in one quick raid, but I don't. The reason being that Iran's facilities are very diversified. It will likely take a series of raids (sorties), and it will take raids to knock out their ballistic missiles as well. There is only one country with the strategic power that could conduct a sustained bombing campaign if we consider the logistics, the full complement of weaponry needed, and the motive. Obviously, that's the US. I mean, maybe Russia could do some types of strikes, but they wouldn't harm their own market for nuclear material.
28 posted on 04/25/2008 11:55:46 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (If you share Wright's pews, you share his views.)
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To: Tenega

bump


29 posted on 04/26/2008 12:05:44 AM PDT by txflake
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To: 1rudeboy
"Wow. Looking at those before and after photos, not only did the Israeli aircraft destroy the site, they also cleared the rubble and bulldozed it."

That's the new Caterpillar bomb we sold them last year. It's yellow and has a bulldozer blade in front.

30 posted on 04/26/2008 2:01:26 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: Dawnsblood
I LOVE this line!

the first that the Syrians knew of the attack was when their Turkish neighbours reported that the bombers had returned safely to their base in northern Israel.

I think that's a good description for a successful military operation! Just short of perfect. The only crowning moment would have been if Israel never even acknowledged that they did the raid... "Who, us?"

Mark

31 posted on 04/26/2008 4:26:59 AM PDT by MarkL
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To carry out the attack undetected, the fighter-bombers had to be fitted with equipment that extended their bombing range, while the pilots also had to contend with the challenge of penetrating Syria's state-of-the-art, Russian-built air defence systems. The mission was so successful that the first that the Syrians knew of the attack was when their Turkish neighbours reported that the bombers had returned safely to their base in northern Israel. The last thing the Israelis want is for the tactical details of their audacious raid to become public, particularly as they may need to use the same techniques again in the not-too-distant future.
[phone rings in Damascus] "Hello, Asshat? Oh, sorry, Assad? Israel's bombing raid on your 'top secret' nuclear weapons plant was a success, and all their planes have returned to their base." [click]
32 posted on 04/27/2008 5:24:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Thanks Ernest.

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33 posted on 04/27/2008 5:25:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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