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Ann Coulter's Silence [Regarding Kosovo]
The Washington Times ^ | April 25, 2008 | Julia Gorin

Posted on 04/26/2008 8:59:45 AM PDT by Ravnagora

Penn State's student newspaper The Daily Collegian reported on Ann Coulter's hour-long speech there this month: "For possibly the first time in her career the conservative commentator, had nothing to say about a political issue. 'I have no opinion,' she told a student who asked her about Kosovo and Ukraine. That may be the first time those words have passed my lips."

"During her hour-long speech to a crowd of more than a thousand in HUB Alumni Hall last week, though, Ms. Coulter spoke candidly about her opinions on a variety of controversial subjects ranging from the war in Iraq to global warming to terrorism."

The usual, in other words. The easy stuff. And on the easy, day-to-day stuff, every conservative loudmouth in America has a strong and ready opinion. But on the fact that in the Kosovo giveaway of 2008 we've just repeated the Munich surrender of 1938 — nothing.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: anncoulter; antichristian; appeasement; aztlan; clintonswar; coulter; illegalimmigrants; jihad; kosovo; serbia; wrongside
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1 posted on 04/26/2008 8:59:45 AM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

Looks like Julia Gorin is poised to be “the new Ann Coulter”, or “the next Ann Coulter”, or the “anti-Ann Coulter”.


2 posted on 04/26/2008 9:03:42 AM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Pain is weakness leaving your body"---U S MARINES)
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To: Ravnagora
Really pathetically stupid. Author has to be just pathetically desperate for something to scream at Coulter about. Coulter is a commentator, NOT a politician. She is under NO obligation to have an opinion on ever single little pathetic item so 5th rate media twit is bent out of shape about.
3 posted on 04/26/2008 9:09:40 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Ravnagora
Kosovo giveaway of 2008 we've just repeated the Munich surrender of 1938

Pure absurd nonsense. Not even a hint of shred of a notion of a possibility of a clue. Munich set the stage for the worst war in Human history. Kosovo is a no account 3rd world back water that no one other then the immediate players cares one iota about. Kosovo has set the stage for...a giant yawn from the rest of the world as it gets about doing it's business.

4 posted on 04/26/2008 9:12:13 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Ravnagora

Perhaps Ann was just acknowledging that she isn’t that informed on the Kososvo situation. If that’s the case I applaud her for being honest enough, unlike liberals, to refuse to give an opinion on a subject she knows nothing about. I can find it in my heart to forgive Ann for not being fully informed on every single issue in the entire universe. (Oh, to be a liberal and know everything.)


5 posted on 04/26/2008 9:12:24 AM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: Ravnagora
As soon as Julia announces in every article how American jews voted for The Clitoons and they are the basis for our Balkans trouble, then I will care what she has to say.

Otherwise she is blowing smoke the wrong way. And Ann should be the last one to trash!

6 posted on 04/26/2008 9:15:01 AM PDT by sausageseller (http://coolblue.typepad.com/the_cool_blue_blog/)
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To: Ravnagora

Interesting tactic. The author is just using some noteworthy conservative name (Coulter)to get people to read her larger point. Perhaps she thinks the NYT or AP will pick it up as a result.


7 posted on 04/26/2008 9:15:53 AM PDT by modhom
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To: supremedoctrine

Gorin’s obsession with Ann Coulter’s non-opinion begs the question: what does Gorin think the three most-likely candidates to occupy the Oval Office next January (none of whom gives a rats-behind what Ann thinks about this or any other issue) is likely to do about Kosovo, other than continue the current supine, counter-productive policy?

Gorin’s targeting Coulter is simply irrelevant to her concerns. Perhaps, like a child that’s afraid to face her true fears about a neighborhood bully, and so beats up on her inanimate dolly instead, Gorin is venting her frustration on a conveniently available individual, rather than dealing with the true object of her frustration: inability to bend the US and European powers to do her will in this matter.


8 posted on 04/26/2008 9:16:43 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: MNJohnnie

I agree. I’m dating a Serbian woman and I’m pretty quiet on that subject simply because there are a lot of sore spots. Also I’ve got no real reason to talk about it.


9 posted on 04/26/2008 9:23:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: sausageseller

Am I hearing you right? American Jews are responsible for the Balkans trouble?


10 posted on 04/26/2008 9:29:19 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Ravnagora

Not on Kosovo, but here’s suggested reading about another a locale
not too far removed.

Unholy Terror: Bosnia, Al-Qa’ida, and the Rise of Global Jihad
by John R. Schindler
http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Terror-Bosnia-Al-Qaida-Global/dp/0760330034/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209227043&sr=1-1


11 posted on 04/26/2008 9:29:57 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Ravnagora

We’ve got to have an opinion about everything these days?


12 posted on 04/26/2008 9:30:46 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: richardtavor
Am I hearing you right? American Jews are responsible for the Balkans trouble?

How did you get that?

13 posted on 04/26/2008 9:33:52 AM PDT by sausageseller (http://coolblue.typepad.com/the_cool_blue_blog/)
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To: Ravnagora
We're well post-9/11, and President Bush has been replicating and completing a strong-arm war of might-makes-right started by Mr. Clinton...

The U.S. is dismantling principles of the international order that have guided and protected statecraft for sixty years, which is CURRENTLY being used as a precedent from India to Sri Lanka to Catalonia in Spain to the Galilee in Israel to Quebec to Vermont,...

The author is certainly right but I don't know whey she wants Ann Coulter to opine on this. Maybe because she's more likely to give an opinion than Bush, Clinton or the State Dept. are likely to explain their treachery???

14 posted on 04/26/2008 9:37:54 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: MNJohnnie

“She is under NO obligation to have an opinion on every single little pathetic item so 5th rate media twit is bent out of shape about”.

Right. Ann is undoubtedly smarter than the 5th rate media twit in that she chose to not comment on something she knows little about.


15 posted on 04/26/2008 9:38:02 AM PDT by chainsaw ( No black racist Muslims in the WH either)
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To: sausageseller

Am I hearing you right? American Jews are responsible for the Balkans trouble?


16 posted on 04/26/2008 9:38:41 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: richardtavor
As soon as Julia announces in every article how American jews voted for The Clitoons and they are the basis for our Balkans trouble, then I will care what she has to say. Otherwise she is blowing smoke the wrong way. And Ann should be the last one to trash!

Oh I see. No the "they" in my post refered to the Clintoons.

17 posted on 04/26/2008 9:38:44 AM PDT by sausageseller (http://coolblue.typepad.com/the_cool_blue_blog/)
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To: modhom

Exactly. You almost have to wonder if she cooked this up with Ann. There seems to be no other way to get the press to cover this.


18 posted on 04/26/2008 9:42:10 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: sausageseller

As soon as Julia announces in every article how American jews voted for The Clitoons and they are the basis for our Balkans trouble, then I will care what she has to say. That is why I asked, I must have misunderstood—it sounded like that you were saying that American jews elected the Clintons and that the Clintons were responsible for the Balkans trouble, therefore, American Jews are responsible...I believe I just misunderstood your point.


19 posted on 04/26/2008 9:43:38 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Ravnagora

“I have no opinion.” is an okay answer.

It’s refreshing that a commentator anywhere would say that, instead of trying to make one up on the spot.


20 posted on 04/26/2008 9:50:36 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: MNJohnnie

That’s true...but it is telling how little people even paid to know this stuff don’t know about Kosovo. It’s what our government counts on.


21 posted on 04/26/2008 10:22:39 AM PDT by Hildy (It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that determine who we truly are. - J.K. Rowling)
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22 posted on 04/26/2008 10:44:49 AM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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To: MNJohnnie; Bokababe; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ...

I guess you don’t like the idea of some of us opposing a bunch of Jihadist illegal immigrants stealing part of someone else’s country.

Maybe when the Mexicans grab Aztlan, you’ll realize what you’ve bought into.


23 posted on 04/26/2008 12:53:20 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: cripplecreek

Since you mention the actions of illegal immigrants in the US in your tagline, why do you think the Serbs shouldn’t oppose theft of their land by illegal immigrants from Albania?


24 posted on 04/26/2008 12:56:36 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: joebuck
Perhaps Ann was just acknowledging that she isn’t that informed on the Kososvo situation.

That makes sense.


25 posted on 04/26/2008 1:35:07 PM PDT by rdb3 (Upward, onward, beyond...)
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To: Ravnagora

I love Ann, but Julia is right. Ann and others like Rush and Hannity rarely if ever, talk about Kosovo. Me thinks they don’t know/understand the situation. And that’s ok, there is time to learn. The are the spokespeople of conservatism and they should be schooled in this area of the world. The ramifications of what happens in Kosovo are tremendous. Michael Savage gets it, one of the only talkshow hosts that do.
When the UN/laRaza comes a knockin for Atzlan the precedent has been set in the land grab of Kosovo

I think that Julia respects Ann alot and that’s why she wrote this.

Ann if you are reading this...watch the you tube in my tagline.....coming to a theater near you on day!!!


26 posted on 04/26/2008 1:40:24 PM PDT by MadelineZapeezda ( MUST SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc)
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To: Ravnagora
'I have no opinion ~ Ann Coulter

I have mixed emotions on Kosovo because this seems so contrary from the rest of the "Muslim behavior" in war situations.

Here we are told it is the Christians who inflicted genocide on the Muslim?

It makes me scratch my head and the way the media has distorted photos in the pass and done other things I don't know what to think?

27 posted on 04/26/2008 1:46:24 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Ravnagora

Hatred of Orthodox Christians seems to trump the War on Terror in the Balkans in a lot of quarters. At least Ms. Coulter is neutral, rather than siding with the Muslim terrorists like Clinton, Clinton, Albright, Bush, Rice, Blair, Brown, McCain, Brezinski (on Obama’s foreign policy team—Obama himself doesn’t seem to have weighed in on the Balkans yet), the NYTimes editorial board, . . .


28 posted on 04/26/2008 1:48:34 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: MNJohnnie

Yup, just like Bosnia was a backwater in 1914. I think you’re ignoring how strongly the Christian East, Russia included, feels about this attack on their interest, and how dangerous the creation of a Muslim terror state in Europe actually is.


29 posted on 04/26/2008 1:50:51 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Ravnagora

Typical tactic of a leftist nobody. Dropping the name of a famous conservative to get attention. Hasn’t worked for olbermann, won’t work for whoever this is. Who cares what Ann’s opinion of Kosovo is, anyway? The Balkans defy understanding, as Bismarck said long ago.


30 posted on 04/26/2008 1:55:57 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: restornu

Here you are told lies, concocted by the Muslims.

Where are the bodies? There was no genocide, the Racak massacre was faked—KLA battle casualties were dressed up in civilian clothes—and in the previous war the Bosnian Muslims shelled their own people to provoke Western interevention (this conclusion from Japanese investigators).

Muslims lying to gain an advantage when they are in the weaker position (as they were vis-a-vis the Serbs without Western help) is completely in character.

And I guess you haven’t been following the accounts of Carla del Ponte’s findings of Albanian butchering of Serb prisoners to harvest organs for sale.
Of course that didn’t fit the script of the kangaroo court in the Hague that was supposed to find Serbs guilty, and exhonorate Muslims and Croats.


31 posted on 04/26/2008 1:57:21 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David
Hatred of Orthodox Christians seems to trump the War on Terror in the Balkans in a lot of quarters.

Yes, and I would add indifference to Christians the world over. Look at the Chaldean Christians in Iraq. Whatever one thinks of the invasion, the ancient Chaldean communitees are now in a precarious situation. They may not survive in the "New Iraq." I'm not apologizing for Saddam, just saying that we made no provisions for Chaldeans' safety. We must have foreseen that they would have trouble with the Muslims in the aftermath.

If we are at war with Islam, why do so many of our efforts favor Muslims in a way that Christians get it in the neck? Our foreign policy undercuts the very people who are most likely to support us. Every move we make always seems to strengthen the enemy.

32 posted on 04/26/2008 2:16:06 PM PDT by ishmac
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To: rdb3
"Perhaps Ann was just acknowledging that she isn’t that informed on the Kososvo situation. That makes sense."

No, it doesn't. Ann Coulter was on my Balkan issues mailing list for years. Ann Coulter just doesn't want to take a stand that might embarrass both Bush and McCain, since McCain has taken millions from the Albanian lobby. An Coulter is chicken.

33 posted on 04/26/2008 2:19:59 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: MNJohnnie
"Kosovo is a no account 3rd world back water that no one other then the immediate players cares one iota about."

Right, that's why "Kosovo" has been at the top of every European country's political agenda for the last year; that's why Russia, China and us nose to nose on this issue and no one's blinking; that's why the US broke every international law back to the Treaty Of Wetphalia including the Helsinki Final act, in order to grant it "independence"; and why every secessionist group from Palestine to Tibet, is trying to use Kosovo as a precedent for their independence.

You need to do some homework on this issue.

34 posted on 04/26/2008 2:28:27 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Ravnagora

So she wasn’t silent she just said she did not have an opinion. WAAYYYYY different.


35 posted on 04/26/2008 2:30:53 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: sausageseller
"As soon as Julia announces in every article how American jews voted for The Clitoons and they are the basis for our Balkans trouble, then I will care what she has to say."

James Harff was Director of the Washington-based PR firm Ruder Finn Global Public Affairs. He directed the company's efforts in representing the Yugoslavian republics seeking to secede: Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo (Albanians).

Harff: For 18 months, we have been working for the Republics of Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina, as well as for the opposition in Kosovo. Throughout this period, we had many successes, giving us a formidable international image. We intend to make advantage of this and develop commercial agreements with these countries. Speed is vital, because items favourable to us must be settled in public opinion. The first statement counts. The retractions have no effect.

Merlino: How often do you intervene?

Harff: Quantity is not important. You have to intervene at the right time with the right person. From June to September, we organized 30 meetings with the main press agencies, as well as meetings between Bosnian officials and Al Gore, Lawrence Eagleburger and 10 influential senators, among them George Mitchell and Robert Dole. We also sent out 13 exclusive news items, 37 last-minute faxes, 17 official letters and eight official reports. We placed 20 telephone calls to White House staff, 20 senators, and close to 100 to journalists, editors, newscaters and other influenctial people in the media.

Merlino: What achievement were you most proud of?

Harff: To have managed to put Jewish opinion on our side. This was a sensitive matter, as the dossier was dangerous looked from this angle. President Tudjman [of Croatia] was very careless in his book "Wastelands of Historical Reality". Reading this writtings, one could accuse him of of antisemitism. In Bosnia, the situation was no better: President Izetbegovic strongly supported the creation of a fundamentalist Islamic state [there] in his book "The Islamic Declaration". Besides, the Croatian and Bosnian past was marked by a real and cruel anti-semitism. Tens of thousands of Jews perished in Croatian camps. So there was every reason for intellectuals and Jewish organizations to be hostile towards the Croats and Bosnians. Our challenge was to reverse this attitude. And we succeded masterfully.

At the beginning of August 1992, New York Newsday came out with the affair of [Serb] concentration camps. We jumped at the opportunity immediately. We outwitted three big Jewish organizations - B'nai B'rith Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee, and the American Jewish Congress. We suggested to them to publish an advertisement in the "New York Times" and to organize demonstrations outside the United Nations.

That was a tremendous coup. When the Jewish organizations entered the game on the side of the [Muslim] Bosnians, we could promptly equate the Serbs with the Nazis in the public mind. Nobody understood what was happening in Yugoslavia. The great majority of Americans were probably asking themselves in which African country Bosnia was situated. But by a single move we were able to present a simple story of good guys and bad guys, which would hereafter play itself. We won by targeting Jewish audience. Almost immediately there was a clear change of language in the press, with the use of words with high emotional content, such as "ethnic cleansing", "concentration camps", etc., which evoked images of Nazi Germany and the gas chambers of Auschwitz. The emotional charge was so powerful that nobody could go against it.

Merlino: But when you did all of this, you had no proof that what you said was true. You only had the article in "Newsday"!

Harff: Our work is not to verify information. We are not equipped for that. Our work is to accelerate the circulation of information favorable to us, to aim at judiciously chosen targets. We did not confirm the existence of death camps in Bosnia, we just made it known that "Newsday" affirmed it.

Merlino: Are you aware that you took on a grave responsibility?

Harff: We are professionals. We had a job to do and we did it. We are not paid to be moral.

— James Harff, Director of Ruder Finn, Global Public affairs section, in the Jacques Merlino interview, April 1993. (reprinted in a book in Oct. 1993)

36 posted on 04/26/2008 2:41:53 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: ishmac

I’m afraid it’s been going on for a long time, at least since 1204. (Of course, even the First Crusade had an unsuccessful go at beseiging Constantinople, so longer than that.)


37 posted on 04/26/2008 3:19:17 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: FormerLib
why do you think the Serbs shouldn’t oppose theft of their land by illegal immigrants from Albania?

Oppose yes, ethnically cleanse a 90% population no.
38 posted on 04/26/2008 4:03:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: cripplecreek

The ethnically cleansing allegations against the Serbs in Kosovo were as false as the claims of 100,000 mass graves filled with victims of Serb atrocities.

Hint: we found those graves...in Iraq, filled with Saddam’s victims.

The reason the Albanians have a majority in Kosovo now is because of the terror campaign against the Serb, Jew, and Roma people in Kosovo by the Jihadist illegal immigrants from Albanian.

Fact: Serbia remains the most multicultural nation in the Balkans.

Fact: since the NATO bombings, Kosovo is Judenfrei.


39 posted on 04/26/2008 4:54:19 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

Nice rant. How you gonna get rid of them?


40 posted on 04/26/2008 4:57:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: Ravnagora

Eurabian jihad bump


41 posted on 04/26/2008 7:25:28 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: The_Republican

Looks like Ann’s holding a tank top with a Lambretta (scooter) on it, alllll right! :D


42 posted on 04/26/2008 9:48:16 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (Obama hates you.)
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To: Ravnagora; SJackson; Alouette

Any crucial updates to this, I’d appreciate a ping.


43 posted on 04/26/2008 10:05:10 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Ravnagora

btt


44 posted on 04/27/2008 2:19:36 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: cripplecreek

Same way you’d handle the illegals in this country. Deport those in the country illegally, arrest and imprison those who have committed crimes.


45 posted on 04/27/2008 8:30:04 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: The_Republican

....aren’t there anymore picktures?


46 posted on 04/27/2008 8:58:47 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Ravnagora

Americans just can’t be expected to care that much about the national interests of a foreign country. We care about America first, not Serbia first. It’s up to Serbs to fight their own battles. American troops occupy Serbian territory and loyal Americans are simply not going to support foreign forces against our own troops, our brothers and sisters, our sons and daughters, our mothers and fathers, our family. Our soldiers mean more to us than the borders of some foreign country. Pick a fight with our soldiers and Serbs will see the instant evaporation of what little support in America there is for their cause. The burning of the US embassy has already sounded the alarm for many Americans.


47 posted on 04/27/2008 3:52:08 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: MNJohnnie

Kosovo is a little more important than you seem to think. The Serbs cares deeply about Kosovo and view it as their Jerusalem - it is a question of when not if they will fight to get it back. Russia has traditionally backed the Serbs and wants to bring an oil pipeline into Europe through Serbia so it has a strong reason to back the Serbs. The United States and some of the other Western European powers want to protect pipelines that travel through Macedonia just south of Kosovo and thus we have put a new huge military base in Kosovo - Camp Bondsteel. Thus we are likely to at least consider fighting to protect Serbia. This already makes this situation tense - however, being the Balkans their are many other Subplots.

The Albanians (in Kosovo) have territorial claims on the Macedonians to the South. The Albanians in Kosovo would also like to join Albania to great a greater Albania which would also try to claim control over Montenegro. Then you have the Christian vs. Muslim clash which goes back centuries and the discontent between Greece and Nato member Turkey which also factors into this picture. So, at the end of the day the Balkans still easily have the potential to spark a world war.


48 posted on 04/29/2008 3:56:48 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: cripplecreek

The allegations of massive ethnic cleansing in Kosovo turned out to be lies. Currently only a few thousand bodies have been found in Kosovo. Many of these dead were KLA fighters, some were Serbian Civilians, and some were probably by mistake in the bombings. A few thousand civilian deaths during a largscale guerrilla war is hardly evidence of ethnic cleansing. The only argument that you could make is that once we started bombing the Serbian army started evicting ethnic Albanians from Kosovo but that can’t be a justification for our bombing because that didn’t start happening until after we started bombing.

You should also consider why the Serbian Army was fighting the KLA. They were kidnapping and killing Serbs and moderate ethnic albanians. They continued with this activity after we won the war for them. Since we took control of Kosovo the Serbian population has been systamatically terrorized and driven out. Around two hundred Serbian Orthodox Churches and monestaries which date back hundreds of years have been desacrated and burned. And now there are reports of hundreds of Serbians who were taken prisoner right after the war and killed - many of whom had their organs sold on the black market.


49 posted on 04/29/2008 4:10:49 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: Tailgunner Joe

You would support America under any conditions and this scares me. What would you do if a radical liberal became president and decided to invade Israel because she was defending herself against the terrorists?


50 posted on 04/29/2008 4:14:00 PM PDT by dschapin
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