Posted on 04/28/2008 8:18:23 AM PDT by dead
This is one of the results from in-breeding. In many cases, the plural wives are sisters. Do this over a couple hundred years, with little increase from outside the gene-pool; and you are going to wind up with genetic deformities. I'm surprised we haven't heard a lot about hemophilia.
I’m really glad to have the information, although I’d have liked it better if these things just didn’t happen. All those poor little children!
Thanks for the compliment - we think our children are great, too. I’d really like 10, but we’ve got issues with our parents’ health that would be hard to manage if we had another baby now. Maybe it will all work out somehow!
Oh, I’m sorry I read that.
susie
Warren Jeffs. They should have shut down the compound and rescued the children upon his conviction.
If they were there and did nothing to stop him, they are technically complicate in the crimes, thus making them also criminals.
That's what this whole investigation is about. It's about illegal activity, not objecting to how someone worships. If they weren't breaking the law, if there weren't pregnant minors on the property, then they should have been left alone.
What NAZI-like behavior did the government demonstrate? You were doing fine until then. The minute someone doesn't like what the government does, they scream NAZI and lose most, if not all, credibility. If the government is wrong, then state so and demonstrate it, but comparing it to NAZIs with no backing, adds nothing to the debate except to sound hysterical and fear mongering.
The warrants for CPS are online and have been posted regularly. They cannot legally leave a child in a situation where abuse is going on and pregnant teens demonstrate abuse. DNA testing will tell who.
How is that NAZI like behavior?
Get beyond the FLDS issue; we are setting a horrible legal precedent.
They are not setting ANY precedent. They're following precedent.
The state can apparently arbitrarily take YOUR kids from you, for any reason they may, or maynot have. You have no legal recourse.
That's right. This is how child abuse cases are dealt with across the country and have been for years. Have you just become aware of this? And if they don't find legitimate cases like this one, they will make something up. This was not done arbitrarily. Read the warrants.
Thank you sooooo much.
Makes you more than a little sick, doesn’t it?
I can imagine a lot of things, but torturing a baby is something I cannot imagine anyone doing. I had 3 boys, and I know babies can be frustrating, but to nearly drown them so they learn to submit??
AARRRGGGHHHH!
susie
It’s creepy how much the women resemble one another. I suppose many are sisters, aunts, half-sisters, mothers, daughters, etc. They all have the same flat eye-sockets, oblique cheekbones, and underslung jaw.
So, based upon the conviction of 1 person; everyone associated with that person is now subject to search, seizure and CPS? I always thought that each person gets to have their own trial, I realize it's a lot more convenient to try everyone at one time - but that is not the way our judicial system works.
What NAZI-like behavior did the government demonstrate?
Good qestion.
CPS officials have conceded there is no evidence the youngest children were abused, and about 130 of the children are under 5. Teenage boys were not physically or sexually abused either, according to evidence presented in a custody hearing earlier last week, but more than two dozen teenage boys are also in state custody, now staying at a boys' ranch that might typically house troubled or abandoned teens.
Link
This article was written on April 25th. The kids were taken on April 4th. Today is April 28th and the kids who were not 'abused' or considered 'at risk' are still being held from seeing or even talking with their parents. Angie Voss is an unelected official in charge of CPS. She held a 21 hour marathon session in which she sued for custody of all these kids. Yup, each kid got an average of less than 3 minutes to plead their case. No evidence is necessary, no debate is allowed, the kids have been forcibly taken now for 3 weeks. I call this Nazi-like behavior.
A bogus phone call tiggered this whole mess, a search warrant (1) was issued because of this bogus phone call. No arrest warrants have been given, and I challenge you to present any warrants you claim exist. I have yet to see even the bogus warrant published.
Just think, the CPS can do this to you and your family - jump in and take your kids, hold them and not allow you to know where they are, allow you to even make a phone call, and not a shred of evidence has to exist. Furthermore, as the article above states, not only does no evidence exist, CPS concedes that these kids are not at risk of being abused - so why are they being held??
My view is simple. If you want to take 462 kids away from their parents, you schedule 462 court cases and do each one individually. You allow both sides to present their case. You do not do a 21 hour marathon session (where the parents were not allowed to attend) and call that 'due process'. We both know that was a Kangaroo Court.
Do you have any sources to back up that accusation?
“If the state can do this to the least of us, they certainly can do it to us as well. “
If the state can arrest a serial killer, it can arrest you for breathing because both of you breathe. Right?
Been trying to do 462 kids thing for days now. You probably did it better than I did.
You have proof that the call that *started* this whole thing was bogus? Has that been determined in a court of law?
No arrest warrants have been given, and I challenge you to present any warrants you claim exist.
I never said any arrest warrants were given. So? What's your point?
Furthermore, as the article above states, not only does no evidence exist, CPS concedes that these kids are not at risk of being abused - so why are they being held??
Wrong.
From the article:CPS officials have conceded there is no evidence the youngest children were abused, and about 130 of the children are under 5.
The CPS only conceded that there was NO EVIDENCE of abuse among the youngest, not that any or all of the children were not at risk of being abused, nor even that the 130 were who comprised the youngest.
Today is April 28th and the kids who were not 'abused' or considered 'at risk' are still being held from seeing or even talking with their parents.
Assumption on your part. You don't know which children were abused and which weren't or which ones were at risk of being abused and which ones weren't. I'm sure as soon as they determine who the parents are of each child, meetings will be arranged for the parents and children to meet and talk.
This has to be one of the most publicized child custody cases going. Texas CPS is under a tremendous amount of scrutiny and I'm sure they're well aware of the fact that any technically wrong move can jeopardize their situation.
Sources?
Here:
Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24009286/
About halfway down in the article the procedure called *breaking the baby* is described.
And the man who did it is the HEAD of the Texas compound.
If you’re not bothering to read all of the posts but are just picking things you want to comment on out of the blue, go ahead, but I’m not going to do your work for you. The link is in this thread.
susie
You are way more patient than I. I am tired of reposting things because some people are too lazy to click to see what post someone is replying to, or they intentionally ignore the information in front of their faces.
susie
Ditto that. I was done with it two weeks ago. Too many posters playing “stuck on stupid”.
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