Posted on 04/28/2008 5:27:59 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
31 of 53 teen girls at FLDS ranch are pregnant or had baby
By MICHELLE ROBERTS, Associated Press Writer 2 minutes ago
More than half the teen girls taken from a polygamist compound in west Texas have children or are pregnant, state officials said Monday.
A total of 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 are in state custody after a raid 3 1/2 weeks ago at the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado. Of those girls, 31 either have children or are pregnant, said Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar. Two are pregnant now, CPS officials have said in court; it was unclear whether either of those two already have children.
"It shows you a pretty distinct pattern, that it was pretty pervasive," he said.
State officials took custody of all 463 children at the ranch controlled by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, saying a pattern of teen girls forced into underage "spiritual" marriages and sex with much older men created an unsafe environment for the sect's children.
Under Texas law, children under the age of 17 generally cannot consent to sex with an adult. A girl can get married with parental permission at 16, but none of these girls is believed to have a legal marriage under state law.
State officials said earlier that they had found girls who were pregnant or had children of their own at the ranch, but they had not provided more than rough estimates until Monday.
Church officials have denied that any children were abused at the ranch and say the state's actions are a form of religious persecution.
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...because I don't see the same rush in the inner cities to separate mothers from their children.
No cheers unfortunately, no winners here.
It is the babies who are being punished.
This was not teenagers acting irresponsibly; it was an ongoing conspiracy to commit aggravated sexual assault on a child and welfare fraud.
Those women are so unsexy, it would be like violating Laura Ingalls. Man, between burkahs on Muslims and these weirdo clothes, I am all for skimpy clothing on chicks after this!
I hope this becomes a trend and more of these cults are busted up.
Except that inner city females don’t all live on one ranch do they.
Horribly true, whereas Planned Parenthood is mass statutory rape by proxy, with an optional murder chaser.
These statistics differ because the innercity girls are usually pregnant by their near-the-same-age boyfriends, and the normally entered willingly into the sex.
The FLDS girls were bred and brainwashed to be child brides to men old enough to be their fathers and grandfathers. They are given no option (except damnation).
That said I believe we should vigorously prosecute the statutory rapists of the inner city girls.
I do too. I have wondered if anyone will go after the other compounds if there is no DNA to match some of these children. I hope the FLDS goes down hard!
I believe that most of the inner-city baby-daddys are similar in age to the baby-mama. Not 40 and 50 year-old-men.
I hope they take the Muslims down if they do anyone.
I totally agree with that & hope they take the Muslims down hard too. They are vile also IMHO.
innercity girls are usually pregnant by their near-the-same-age boyfriends,
What planet you on?
Get one of those perverts near me and I'll show him some freaking persecution. I really REALLY feel sorry for those girls. And it pisses me off that their mothers (and I'm assuming their mothers are there too) would let that happen. I can guarantee you that if some 50 year old jerkoff started leering at my daughter he'd get an earful.
Other than this Colorado City/ FYZ ranch crowd, what communities do you have in mind that promote these early “marriages”?
Wait a minute. The article said “Two of those are pregnant now, he said; it was unclear whether either of those two already have children.” Unclear? They don’t know? Are the pregnant girls 14 or 17?
Sorry, but a 17 year old girl is NOT A CHILD. It’s different if she is 14 or 15, but they make no provisions for the difference in age. That’s only one of the problems with the socialist totalitarian methods going on here. I was a 17 year old (married) mother over 50 years ago. What did I do, break some damn law? Nobody thought so.
There is a serious issue of child abuse here, as most of us can see, but the government agents of all stripes handling it are committing serious abuses of rights themselves. The frenzied media is throwing stuff at us that we don’t know is right, and their agenda is succeeding. Most people are falling right in line. Which of our churches or religious groups is going to be next? Do we care about the precedents being set? We’d better.
It would be interesting if any are legally married since Texas recently raised the legal age from 14 to 16.
Muslims, inner city, FLDS all on welfare.
Any connection?
Naw..
If the US had kept the Mexico it conquered in 1848, I wonder if 13 would be considered age of consent as it is there today?
Just a guess of course but... If they took a survey within an area in a half mile radius of my house they would find a lot more early teen mothers and/or pregnant teens than the found in the compound. No one seems interested since it is a cultural thing. Having a fifteen year old “old maid” is a family crisis in some circles. CPS won’t touch that.
It is much worse than that in a nearby gambling town.
All of them would be nice.
They have not yet sent me all their addresses.
LOL! You really are too funny :)
How do these statistics differ from some of the Democrat-stronghold inner cities?
Probably very different when compared as to whether it was a voluntary act or was the girl forced into by some older person as a spiritual bride.
Funny, when I was 25 I was an adult. Hell, I was considered an adult when I was 18. When I was 16, I was considered almost an adult, lol, certainly not a child. Seems we’re regressing.
Pimp daddies do not count.
...of .357 caliber lead!
No need to be harsh. I live in SF. I counseled at a crisis pregnancy center for over three years. Most teens/young women, by their own claims, were pregnant by boyfriends at the same or near to their age.
We were required by law to report anything different. In the three years I worked there, we reported two.
Do you live on a ranch with hundreds of others?
If you can’t see the difference between an “urban” teen getting pregnant by another teen and a situation where you have systemic abuse by middle-aged adult men, then you need help.
That sounds about right — maybe a .44, but I prefer the .357 myself.
“>>”Except that inner city females don’t all live on one ranch do they.”<<
No, they’re pretty much confined to the “projects”. The rate of pregnancy for young black females is astronomical. Where is the concern for them?
Hey if you know of an inner city teenager being impregnated by an adult male report it.
And I also don’t believe that inner city teenagers popping out babies do so because if they don’t and by marrying a 50 year old man their church pastor condemns them to hell.
Yes, and compare what the title says compared to the “two of those are pregnant now” the title makes one think there are 31 pregnant now. Earlier articles said the CPS workers found over 25 pregnant teens- which was the catalyst for taking all the children. I am confused!!
If the child abuse (sexual and other) is true then folks need to be going to jail- but what is coming out now is not matching what came out earlier. hmmmm. I hope this is just the media making mistakes and not authorities being heavy handed when there might have been other/better ways to handle this mess.
The same almost word-for-word question sprang to my mind when I saw the headline.
That is why they are DNA testing the youth. A gynocologist can tell by exam whether a woman has given birth.
**If the US had kept the Mexico it conquered in 1848, I wonder if 13 would be considered age of consent as it is there today?**
We had some illegals killed in a car wreck near here last year. the wife was 14, the HUSBAND was 13.
That's the question that came to my mind on seeing the headline. The farm subsidies seems to be left over from a previous comment on another thread.
“We had some illegals killed in a car wreck near here last year. the wife was 14, the HUSBAND was 13.”
Well considering they were illegal my guess is the US didn’t recognize them as being in a legal marriage either.
If you don't want the government taking your children don't put them on welfare and raise them to be raped by old sleazes who will impregnate them to put them on welfare and live off the checks.
Three cheers for the Great State of Texas!
*How do these statistics differ from some of the Democrat-stronghold inner cities?*
Link to the city and statistics ?
Amazing- Where are all the “This is nothing but religious persecution, give these children back to their parents!” posters? There were quite a few last week, and now they’re GONE for some reason!
FR: Your article index title said that “31 of 53 girls had babies or were pregnant by Michelle Roberts”.
A busy person this Michelle Roberts is. Sure its isn’t “Michael Roberts”? Makes more sense.
When the children were taken it was yelled from the rafters that many/over 25/35/half of the teens were pregnant when CPS workers went in, some/many as young as 12. Now the story is changing, the question I have is WHY?
There is a large group here at FR that certainly are, as you pointed out, “falling right in line” swallowing every rumor and “what if”, “I heard” etc. report made available.
They'll be here soon. Prepare yourself to be called a baby killer, child molester, rapist and defender of the Flds. They do not listen to reason and have become fanatical wild-eyed hysterical “Mormon-haters”, even though they can't absorb the fact that Flds are NOT LDS. They hate me for trying to point that fact out to them.
>>”Do we care about the precedents being set? We’d better.”<<
Full agreement with your statement above!! This group has no time to listen to reason and are ready to hang every person that has a penis. I believe they not only hate Mormons (LDS), but hate men in general, if you know what I mean.
Good luck.
Perhaps they’re all hiding from the Texas authorities?
I was out on my own, supporting myself at 16, married at 17. My husband was on his own at 16, in the Army at 17; Vietnam when he was 18. I think we are regressing. This attitude might explain the articles I have seen lately about 30-50 *children* living with their parents, because they can’t make it on their own...I agree 17 is not a child, even 16 is not really a child.
DNA testing will determine who the youth belong to.
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