Nope.
Need more UN resolutions... 
Posted on 04/29/2008 5:11:34 PM PDT by Perdogg
A second American aircraft carrier steamed into the Persian Gulf Tuesday as the Pentagon ordered military commanders to develop new options for attacking Iran. CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports that the planning is being driven by what one officer called the "increasingly hostile role" Iran is playing in Iraq - smuggling weapons into Iraq for use against American troops.
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Iran’s chicken coming home to roost!
Free fire zone on the border would help.
Finally.
Is that the opposite of the DMZ in Korea?
The DMZ is probably pretty militarized. Just under cover
assuming the worst and it gets hot
what happens the day after
assuming iran stops to function
and activates the cells
oil will be in bad shape with 40% transportation
and Iran possibly other nations going off line
not fun
Nope.
Need more UN resolutions...
“What the Iranians are doing is killing American servicemen and -women inside Iraq,” said Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.”
Yeah. WE EFFING KNOW!
NOW WTF is our government going to DO about it?
I know there are covert things we do, but man this is insane. How many more of our heroes die because we are worried what the world think?
I dont know, what do I know?
I am just angry and do not understand after so long we we are putting up with this.
They should park that aircraft carrier right where Brit sailors were captured. Let’s see what they are made of.
Ah, this was a bias-free article from CBS!
Killing our sons and daughters. Most Americans care less. makes me physically ill. We should be demanding Iran pay, and the government should be explaining why now isn’t the best time. Should.
Have no fear! Obamaman is going to sit down and talk the Iranians out of killing Americans, something they have been doing since at least 1983...
I believe George Bush isn’t going to rely on the next president to take out the Iran threat. McCain understands the nature of the threat but the other Dem idiots don’t. Before Jan. 20, 2009 we will have done it.
The time for any "fun" options ended in 1979.
But the scenario described is still a heck of a lot more fun than Shiite fanatics with Nukes trying to bring the 12th Imam out of that well by setting off Armageddon.
I guarantee you that Obama, Pelosi, Durbin, Reid and Chairman Hao are all going to say that if we had not invaded Iraq, Iran would not be killing Americans.
They will conveniently overlook Iran’s nuke program and its sponsorship of terrorism over the past 25 years.
The Left is already hard at work changing the truth on this issue. They are now denying Iranian aid for Al Qaeda, despite the 9-11 Commission report and other evidence and they will soon declare that there is no proof that Iran is working on nuclear weapons.
We have marched up this hill several times already in the last couple of years and we have marched back down again. After a couple of force buildups like this the enemy puts a bit less credence in the phenomenon. If I had more faith in Bush I would guess that it is a deliberate policy to lull the Iranians and that when the attack does come at the top of a massive visible buildup, it will be a surprise.
Good post. I would only add that we’ve done this before, sending a carrier to the Gulf. I know it sends a message, is that message getting diminished because it is now seen as a bluff.
That said, can you imagine what we would do if Mexico was sending invaders over our borders with weapons and toxic chemicals? Oh, well.
You and the Commander of the task force would have to be insane to send an aircraft carrier that close in to Angry Ayatollahs with shore to ship missiles.
Maybe send in a Destroyer or Frigate as "bait". Or something faster, like Pegasus class hydrofoil. If we hadn't cut those due to Navy budget cuts by BJ, "Slick Willy" Clinton. They made there final fligh" from Florida to Virginia in 1993, as a group. That was during the reign of the husband of Her Thighness. 
They were armed with 76 mm naval guns and Harpoon Missiles, as well as
not fun. But we may have to bite the bullet. Iran cannot possess nukes in any way, shape or form.
Oil will take a hit no doubt. But a knock down of Iran should allow markets to stabilize since the fear factor is part of the high prices we pay for oil now.
Not drilling for oil domestically is a very costly miscalculation of national security.
‘Bout time.
Yep. If we started in Anwar back in 94 when it was proposed, we'd be well into the oil flowing from there. Damn democrats.
Deliberate policy of Dem and some Republican politicians who count on Saudi money to "fund" their "charitable foundations" after they leave office.
I learned years ago that if something unpleasant is going to happen then you’re better off to be the one that initiates the action while you can still do it on your timetable and your terms. When one side in a dispute, in this case Iran, is bound and determined to cause trouble there is nothing to be gained by delay in dealing with them. Every day you put off the inevitable is one more day your opponent has to prepare for whatever they plan.
Everything you outline is indeed the way it will most likely go. But the alternative is to put off the day of reckoning until you no longer have as much control over the outcome. We will be in no better position to weather a major disruption in our energy supplies a year or two down the road than we are right now. In fact, with the way the demand for oil is growing it would probably be in our best interest to bring this thing to a head while we still have considerable resources to bring to bear.
If we think it’s tough to deal with them now, just wait until they have a nuclear capability, or even claim they do, and oil is not available at any price.
It’s human nature to put off the unpleasant as long as possible. Not because you have any reason to believe the situation will improve with time, but simply to delay the inevitable.
We need to do something about Iran and we need to do it as soon as possible. There is nothing to be gained from delay. I would think that as the greatest nation in history we could figure out a way to bring about a regime change in that country short of the way we did it in Iraq. It’s like everyone who has anything to do with solving the problem that is Iran is asleep at the wheel.
Someone call for a Carrier Battle Group?
China and russia will be beyond boiling mad and looking for a way to punish america. They might send military aid to our enemies.
It's not about what the world thinks. It's about the Straits of Hormuz being shut down and 30-40% of the worlds oil not making it to market and the global economic disaster that would result. It's about a nuclear response against Israel, the Gulf states, or European states. It's about 10's of thousands of Iranian terror agents being loosed on the world.
I'm not suggesting that we should stand by and let Iran continue on it's path but we really have to be smart about this or the world is going to be a very ugly and uncomfortable place for a long time.
Or the longer we put it off, the worse it will be.
Generally that is the case on such things.
You both make very good points (and scary). My question is do you think McCain could handle such a situation if it does happen?
I try not to eat cheese before bedtime.
“we’ve done this before, sending a carrier to the Gulf. I know it sends a message, is that message getting diminished because it is now seen as a bluff.”
That is why we know its going there isn’t a bluff. Bush wants to do it more than we do be sure of that. We have to believe he will do what’s necessary for world stability. Notice how quiet the Russians have been on the subject lately. Guess why, I bet because they get to rebuild Iran and will get paid with Iranian cash to do it. I wouldn’t be surprised if they get something else too, say Kosovo or missile defense?
Mccain was born for it.
The risk is not will Mccain crack, it’s that he is too tough for the average american to comprehend or to put up with. He will lack sympathy for the whiners. He won’t even know how to FAKE sympathy to the whiners. He’ll lose his temper and insult them. I’d be more worried that he will be impeached or assassinated instead of cracking under pressure...or have a heart attack in one of his fits.
THis is all just a hunch. I don’t really know anything.
We will attack Iran after the Iraqi elections on October 1st and before the presidential election on November 4th.
The fact that the carrier overlap is only going to last for the next 2 days seems to have been missed by the media.
“We will attack Iran after the Iraqi elections on October 1st and before the presidential election on November 4th.”
No, after the November elections, not before. Bush wouldn’t want to jeopardize McCain’s getting elected. It will be between November and January when Bush leaves office, if he does it at all.
“They should park that aircraft carrier right where Brit sailors were captured. Let’s see what they are made of.”
That would be an extraordinarily dumb place to park a carrier.
Isn’t that the way it is now?
They been Dancing Dirty.
“oil will be in bad shape with 40% transportation
and Iran possibly other nations going off line”
The hyenas in the Oil Pits might drive up the price to 200+ a barrel but once the shooting stops the oil market will stabilize and the price will come down to where it should be.
......because it is now seen as a bluff......
When it is really a tactic whereby the enemy becomes comfortable with the threat. Thus, there can be suprise.
Truman’s rotation ends on the 5th, if it stays on any longer than that then maybe we’ve got something cooking here.
And with Bush coming to the region in a week or so, it may not be a bad idea to keep Truman around with the Lincoln just in case . . .
Are you always this optimistic? :)
That’s a pretty bleak picture you paint. I suppose it is all possible, but what to do?
Do you think the international economy/picture will be better if Iran is allowed to get a nuclear weapon and drive the US out of Iraq?
The thing I worry most about are our soldiers in Iraq. Iran will try to strike them with chem/bio weapons if we attack.
BTW, I don’t really see the sunni muslim countries getting that mad because conventional wisdom says they are more than a little concerned about Iran getting a nuke and taking over Iraq.
Who’s knows though right? We indeed live in scary times and if a demwitt gets the WH, it will be even scarier!! That is all I know for certain!
$10 a gallon gas is on its way!
Our imbecilic leaders give away the Panama Canal, ignore the fact that the ChiComs are pumping our oil off the shore of Cuba, kowtow to North Korea, strongly hint at sending troops to Kosovo and continue to act like candidates for lobotomies.
Our dollar is in the pits, our economy is tanking, our tank is only half full, the inflation that is rampant is due to their endorsing the manufacture of an important food crop in order to mix the result with gasoline. Where does it all end?
Revolution?
Let's face it: the Democrats and their Republicrat allies appear to be hell-bent on the destruction of our country. Now we have three pitiful candidates that want to occupy the oval office who aren't worth a thin dime. They would finish the job!
Will never happen. The lower tier of the economy would shut down before it got that high,
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