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To: exit82
What John McCain did in Hanoi forty years ago is not relevant to today.

We know that a liberal is going to be elected our next President.

Of the three liberals still in the race, I think that we are probably better off with McCain, who showed remarkable character in his youth (even if he squandered it in the years since), over Clinton and B.O., who have never showed any character at all. Also, there is at least a chance that McCain will step aside after 4 years, whereas Clinton and B.O. are guaranteed to be around for 8.

Even if you disagree that we are better off with McCain than the other liberal choices (and there are good arguments why we are better off with a democRat liberal than a RINO), the Senate, House, Governor, and local offices that are going to be on the same ballot in November do still matter. Those down ballot elections may be the only thing stopping us from becoming a full fledged European-style socialist country in the next 4 years.

Our best hope at this point is that half of the democRats get mad and stay home in November and that Republicans show up and vote. That way, regardless of which liberal is President, there may be enough Republicans with spines left in the Senate to block liberal judicial and other appointments.

230 posted on 04/30/2008 9:18:21 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy ("I believe in Santa Claus. I believe in the tooth fairy." - John Edwards)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

I agree with your assessment that the down ballot elections play a crucial role here in 2008.

The point for which I am castigated about, time and time again, is stating facts about John McCain and the fact that I believe we Conservatives have four months to yet influence who will be the nominee.

No one on this forum is voting for Obama or Her Heinous, that’s a given.

But all I hear is we are stuck with McCain. McCain is not going to raise the money he needs to counter Hillary or Obama( or God forbid both, as I believe they will combine to form the dream Dem ticket). McCain is not going to inspire the legions of workers needed to convince other Americans to vote for him like we did for Bush in 2000 and 2004. He has shown his propensity to fire on his own troops rather than in the direction of his enemies, which is just an extension of his actions over the last eight years as a so-called “maverick” in the Senate.

After September there is no longer an argument. But until then, this is our last chance to speak up and influence events. And this is in the face of the Administration, the GOP elites, assorted RINOS and McCain himself telling us to sit down and shut up.

It is the height of irony that Karl Rove in this piece trots out a true hero, Bud Day, when four years ago, Rove and the President castigated the Swifties, of which Bud Day was a prominent member, for telling the truth about John Kerry. Even John McCain went against Bud Day on this point. And it was the Swifties who provided the pivotal momentum in the month between the Dem and GOP conventions in 2004 that swung many toward Bush. Rove was prepared to lay down and waste a month of precious time, letting the Dems try and build up the false premise that Kerry was anything other than a traitor.

I’m not backing up for the GOP anymore.McCain is the worst Republican to be the standard bearer. If he does not choose wisely his candidate for VP, get ready to inaugarate a Dem on 1/20/09.

But thank you for at least being a civil voice on this thread. It seems you can not have an original thought here anymore without someone heaping insults on you.


237 posted on 04/30/2008 9:33:43 AM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

You make a good point. FDR was a liberal but I’d take him over Jimmy Carter any day.


290 posted on 04/30/2008 8:46:23 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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