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Hook-Up or Shut Up
The Wall Street Journal ^ | April 29, 2008 | HARVEY C. MANSFIELD

Posted on 05/01/2008 7:00:20 AM PDT by forkinsocket

However high-minded their courses may sound – "Mirror of Princes," say, or "The Political Philosophy of Aristotle" – college students today enter a low hook-up culture when they leave the classroom. In case you don't know, a hook-up is a brief sexual encounter between two partners who don't necessarily know each other before and who don't necessarily want to know each other after. And it's free. The sort of transient sex that once was available to men only for money can now be had, without paying, from college women – as long as the man is a fellow student and minimally artful about his approach. If he is thwarted in one overture, he may try another with a reasonable prospect of success.

No doubt lurid anecdote and popular myth cause us to exaggerate the actual frequency of campus hook-ups: Most college students do not share in these delights. But most students also believe that "everyone does it," even if the individual student, for some reason, cannot locate a partner. Thus an active minority sets the tone and makes hooking up a "culture." When there are no sexual boundaries, either official or informal, the standard becomes the extreme, and all students feel the pressure to appear more promiscuous than they are. The traditional double standard of sexual conduct – more restrictive for women than for men – has been replaced by the single standard of the predatory male.

In "Sex and the Soul," Donna Freitas, an assistant professor of religion at Boston University, acutely describes this "liberated" campus culture and wisely analyzes its effects. She is especially concerned to measure conduct and expectation against the inner life of students, including their religious feeling or "spiritual" selves. Over and over again she finds a conflict that does not resolve itself happily.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: academia; book; college; hookups; moralabsolutes; sex
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1 posted on 05/01/2008 7:00:20 AM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

“In case you don’t know, a hook-up is a brief sexual encounter between two partners who don’t necessarily know each other before and who don’t necessarily want to know each other after”

Isn’t that pretty much a one night stand?


2 posted on 05/01/2008 7:06:37 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: forkinsocket

The closest I’ve come is when my neighbor asked me to hook up her VCR.


3 posted on 05/01/2008 7:06:54 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: Slapshot68
Isn’t that pretty much a one night stand?

Don't ask me, although the VCR I hooked up was, in a fact, on one night stand. She had the television on the other.

4 posted on 05/01/2008 7:09:18 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

“Don’t ask me, although the VCR I hooked up was, in a fact, on one night stand. She had the television on the other.”

So many euphemisms, so little time. ;)


5 posted on 05/01/2008 7:10:08 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

I never really got the term “one night stand” because most of the time you’re not standing at all.


6 posted on 05/01/2008 7:11:05 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: forkinsocket

“In case you don’t know, a hook-up is a brief sexual encounter between two partners who don’t necessarily know each other before and who don’t necessarily want to know each other after. And it’s free.”

Leave it to today’s inventive youngsters to come up with something completely new. /s


7 posted on 05/01/2008 7:20:30 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Slapshot68

The term “one-night stand” is sooooooooo last generation.


8 posted on 05/01/2008 7:20:39 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

“The term “one-night stand” is sooooooooo last generation.”

lol, yup. Now it’s hook-ups...or on the other side, friends with benefits.


9 posted on 05/01/2008 7:22:50 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Should make for interesting class reunions in the future.


10 posted on 05/01/2008 7:22:53 AM PDT by mathurine
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

She had you in the bedroom and you couldn’t close the deal?


11 posted on 05/01/2008 7:25:54 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Carbon is the fifth most abundant element on the planet.)
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To: Slapshot68
Isn’t that pretty much a one night stand?

A one night stand, as the name implies, is "a night".

A "hook-up" can be an encounter as little as 10 minutes and are not limited to one a day, evening, party, or even hour.

Read Tom Wolfe's I am Charlotte Simmons for a really good look at this culture. Of course, you will never want to send a child to college after reading this book.

12 posted on 05/01/2008 7:25:55 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: forkinsocket; Jersey Republican Biker Chick
The sort of transient sex that once was available to men only for money can now be had, without paying, from college women – as long as the man is a fellow student and minimally artful about his approach. If he is thwarted in one overture, he may try another with a reasonable prospect of success.

Total myth and folk-lore.

Sure, women will tell you they'll go back to your dorm room for a quick hook up, but once they get there and see all your accouterments (restraints, costumes, race car bed) and see you in your leather mask, they pretty much never live up to their word.

13 posted on 05/01/2008 7:28:45 AM PDT by Owl_Eagle (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: forkinsocket

Back when I was a kid (I’m only 30!) “hooking-up” was more of a “make-out session” then a “one-night stand”. I guess I’m too sheltered - I hadn’t realized that the meaning had evolved.....

I go out line-dancing with some friends every Thursday, and just last week someone asked me when I was going to “hook -up”. I said never. She looked at me like I had three heads.


14 posted on 05/01/2008 7:29:49 AM PDT by marinamuffy (I really dislike McCain but I'll crawl over broken glass to vote against Hillary or the Obamanation.)
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To: mathurine

In my circle, it’s called “road mung”.


15 posted on 05/01/2008 7:30:10 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Owl_Eagle
"Total myth and folk-lore."

"Sure, women will tell you they'll go back to your dorm room for a quick hook up, but once they get there and see all your accouterments (restraints, costumes, race car bed) and see you in your leather mask, they pretty much never live up to their word.

I think the whip and ball gag turned them off....

16 posted on 05/01/2008 7:31:04 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Some days it is not worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: forkinsocket
Where is the link to the fellow that had AIDS and claims he slept (hooked up?) with 1500 women and infected the majority of them?

This liberation signals the approach of another event like the one that occurred in the early 1980's when AIDS (GRIDS) first was suspected to be a STD. The Gay Liberation of the public bath houses was the harbinger for the AIDS epidemic. University hook ups looks to be the harbinger for a more diverse STD outbreak.

17 posted on 05/01/2008 7:35:20 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Owl_Eagle

“Sure, women will tell you they’ll go back to your dorm room for a quick hook up, but once they get there and see all your accouterments (restraints, costumes, race car bed) and see you in your leather mask, they pretty much never live up to their word.”

I hear ya, bro.


18 posted on 05/01/2008 7:35:54 AM PDT by live+let_live
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To: Slapshot68
That used to be known as a "knee-trembler".

None of this is new, the folks on the scene who are supposed to be in charge have just abdicated their responsibility.

19 posted on 05/01/2008 7:38:36 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: forkinsocket
a brief sexual encounter between two partners who don't necessarily know each other before and who don't necessarily want to know each other after. And it's free.

Financially, perhaps.

Emotionally I believe the cost is quite high.

20 posted on 05/01/2008 7:40:33 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: vetvetdoug

Yep. Almost sounds planned that way. (hehe, no tin foil hat here)

But it makes me wonder. First, killing any babies that might be conceived, then kill college students with STD’s. Anyway you look at it, it is an invitation to more kids ruining their lives, (and their children’s lives) is increased .... is it geometrically or exponentially? Don’t know for sure. But increased, you bet.


21 posted on 05/01/2008 7:42:30 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Sure, women will tell you they'll go back to your dorm room for a quick hook up, but once they get there and see all your accouterments (restraints, costumes, race car bed) and see you in your leather mask, they pretty much never live up to their word.

So Elliot, how's life since you resigned?

Never would have picked you for a FReeper.

22 posted on 05/01/2008 7:44:41 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
I think the whip and ball gag turned them off....

Now that's just crazy talk.
23 posted on 05/01/2008 7:46:32 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: Rebelbase
She had you in the bedroom and you couldn’t close the deal?

Apparently, I didn't have the proper F-Connector.

24 posted on 05/01/2008 8:02:11 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Well, I'm here to report that there IS hope.

My daughter told me that she and a date went to a college dance. "When it got a little sketchy, we went outside and said a Rosary."

25 posted on 05/01/2008 8:03:09 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
My daughter told me that she and a date went to a college dance. "When it got a little sketchy, we went outside and said a Rosary."

So long as the encounter didn't finish with your daughter shrieking "Oh God! , Oh God!"....

26 posted on 05/01/2008 8:11:20 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
I think the whip and ball gag turned them off....

SmileyCentral.com

27 posted on 05/01/2008 8:15:43 AM PDT by Allegra (Tehran delenda est)
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To: Slings and Arrows; Xenalyte; humblegunner; TheMom; Eaker; pax_et_bonum

Very educational thread...and the comments are worth reading. ;-)


28 posted on 05/01/2008 8:16:53 AM PDT by Allegra (Tehran delenda est)
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To: forkinsocket
as long as the man is a fellow student and minimally artful about his approach

As in: "I like your hair. Wanna ****?"

29 posted on 05/01/2008 8:17:52 AM PDT by AU72
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To: TruthConquers

End goal:

Destruction of all traditional American societal values.

View everything you see the left doing through this prism.


30 posted on 05/01/2008 8:20:05 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: forkinsocket

I was thinking this was going to be about static line jumps. Instead, it’s about he loss of humanity for the purpose of instant gratification. Funny thing that the younger generations always scream about their “identity”, yet, they do the very things that makes them lose it.


31 posted on 05/01/2008 8:20:13 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Slapshot68
I never really got the term “one night stand” because most of the time you’re not standing at all.

I know it's a joke, but I'll play amateur etymologist anyway. The term is one originally used by musicians -- a "one night stand" is a gig that only lasts, wait for it, one night. You move on in the morning.

32 posted on 05/01/2008 8:24:12 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Allegra

Its all fun and games until someone gets all kinkier than thou...ha ha ha


33 posted on 05/01/2008 8:26:30 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Some days it is not worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Sure, women will tell you they'll go back to your dorm room for a quick hook up, but once they get there and see all your accouterments (restraints, costumes, race car bed) and see you in your leather mask, they pretty much never live up to their word.

You'll run into the same problem with women who think it would be fun to record a videotape of a sexual encounter. Oh, they talk a mean game, but as soon as you get to the bedroom, they start yelling that the gaffer and the sound guy have to leave.

34 posted on 05/01/2008 8:27:49 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Apparently, I didn't have the proper F-Connector.

It's never fun when you pull out your coax and she was expecting high-def. If you really want to impress, you'd better be offering instant replay and on demand, too.

The technology has gotten so good that some women decide they don't need a cable at all. If she's not happy with the connection, she'll just take the old rabbit ears out of a drawer and take care of it herself.

35 posted on 05/01/2008 8:34:19 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: forkinsocket
For $40k/year, the only things students learn are vices. They also lose 4-5 years' worth of salary. What a joke. I prefer that my kids avoid college. Having a tough time convincing the Mrs., however.
36 posted on 05/01/2008 8:36:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: ReignOfError
If she's not happy with the connection, she'll just take the old rabbit ears out of a drawer and take care of it herself.

ROTFLMAO! Maybe she'll let me watch.

37 posted on 05/01/2008 8:39:33 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: AU72
As in: "I like your hair. Wanna ****?"

Way back last century a male friend of mine and I went bar hopping. His technique was to approach any slightly inebriated female and ask, "How about a Lewinsky" (understand -- I'm using the accepted euphemism here -- Little Monica was still in diapers at this point in time).

I asked him if that ever worked. He replied that he got slapped, had drinks thrown on him, or was threatened by a large biker boyfriend nine out of ten times. "But the tenth time . . ."

There really is nothing new under the sun. I'm sure drunken Roman soldiers were using the "Hey li'l lady, wanna . . ."

38 posted on 05/01/2008 9:06:24 AM PDT by Mrs_Stokke (Exxon's profit margin -- 10-percent. Coca-Cola's is 20.7-percent, Microsoft -- 27.5-percent.)
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To: Aquinasfan

Tell the Mrs. to call a plumber or electrician and ask their weekend rate.

Then make the pitch that learning a trade will pay off big time before going to College.

After someone has been in the “real world” working for a couple of years, College becomes more about learning skills to get ahead more than parties.


39 posted on 05/01/2008 9:13:27 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Allegra; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...
Now I'm seeing Eliot Spitzer in the Rodney Dangerfield role in Back to School.


40 posted on 05/01/2008 9:22:47 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: Slapshot68
I never really got the term “one night stand” because most of the time you’re not standing at all.

Well, not at a Baptist college anyway. It might lead to dancing.

41 posted on 05/01/2008 9:25:01 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: vetvetdoug
Where is the link to the fellow that had AIDS and claims he slept (hooked up?) with 1500 women and infected the majority of them?

1,500 cases of attempted manslaughter.

1,500 idiots.

42 posted on 05/01/2008 9:54:12 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MrB

Yep. No doubt about it.

Reading “Liberal Fascism” now. Great insights as to what was going on in the 1960’s. I was too young to understand what was going on. The culture of death marches on.

Actually, the left is only about destroying; it is not a culture at all.

It is anti-culture.


43 posted on 05/01/2008 10:37:46 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Marvellous.

I was graduated in 1996 and participated to some small extent in that culture in my first two years in college. The sad thing about “hooking up” is that there really isn’t any romance, or longing, or courtship... All the stuff that made falling in love so wonderful when it finally happened to me. The first time Phoebe kissed me, after we had spent so long courting - the first time she pressed her lips against mine - I felt as if I was reborn, romantically, and washed clean of the silly “hookups” that had marked some of my earlier undergraduate years. G-d rewards those who wait. I will remember to tell my children.


44 posted on 05/01/2008 11:05:45 AM PDT by FrPR
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To: Owl_Eagle

Now see? That is why you get them to put on the blindfold before you let them in.


45 posted on 05/01/2008 11:34:37 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Rebelbase

Coffee is for closers only...


46 posted on 05/01/2008 11:47:07 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Owl_Eagle
(restraints, costumes, race car bed) and see you in your leather mask, they pretty much never live up to their word.

They should be impressed and happy: If you wear restraints & a helmet, with a fire suit to drive a race car bed, just think how safe she'll believe you are about other stuff!

47 posted on 05/01/2008 12:14:02 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Actually I think it's because you're 50ish and have a stack of Ann Coulter books beside the bed.

The bondage gear they can deal with, but a middle-aged conservative?

You need some Just for Men and a couple of Che Guevara posters.

48 posted on 05/01/2008 12:23:16 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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