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Sect boys may have been abused by older boys
MySA.com ^ | 5/1/08 | Terri Langford and Lisa Sandberg

Posted on 05/01/2008 10:47:42 AM PDT by Politicalmom

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To: colorcountry

“Were you the youngest child in the family?”

No, but I did refuse to grow up.

So, I might be now.


61 posted on 05/01/2008 2:18:23 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: SENTINEL

I read the Bible daily, and know it relatively well. I can’t think of anything Jesus said that has “gone out of style,” or has become considered to be abhorrent, like Joseph Smith’s advice about polygamy has.


62 posted on 05/01/2008 2:20:16 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: UCANSEE2; Politicalmom
Maybe ‘very young children’ shouldn’t be operating large construction and farm equipment.

When I was growing up it was a fairly common sight to see 7-10 year old boys driving tractors. I haven't seen it in a long time though and that's a good thing.

I was working in the fields myself from about 9 or 10 years old.

I got the absolutely dirtiest job riding the planter and keeping the hoppers filled, by the time I was 13 or 14 I was putting up hay and that has to be among the most demanding jobs on earth.

63 posted on 05/01/2008 2:20:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Old Mountain man
Please feel free to hold your breath.

LOL Well, I won't, because I suspect such a refutation isn't going to happen.

64 posted on 05/01/2008 2:21:20 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: dblshot
Well if all the girls are taken by old men what are the boys supposed to do?

I know what I did when I was that age.

65 posted on 05/01/2008 2:23:32 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

LOL!


66 posted on 05/01/2008 2:24:24 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: MEGoody

Why should I refute such obvious garbage?


67 posted on 05/01/2008 2:25:00 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
I think it is an attempt to smear the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints by mormon haters.

Can you cite for me just one instance of anybody at F.R. who has said or implied that they hate Mormons?

68 posted on 05/01/2008 2:26:35 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: apillar; Politicalmom

But...but...what would we do for fun on FR if there were no leaks?


69 posted on 05/01/2008 2:27:18 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (FLDS.... making babies with children because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
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To: SENTINEL; colorcountry; Utah Binger; Elsie; P-Marlowe; metmom; pandoraou812; UCANSEE2; ...
THE MORMON ALLIANCE

Post #17

Shhh....listen

70 posted on 05/01/2008 2:45:24 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (FLDS.... making babies with children because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
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To: Graybeard58

Did you ever fall off and break your bones?


71 posted on 05/01/2008 2:55:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: greyfoxx39

Oh, thanks. Now there’s a bullet hole in my Flatscreen monitor.

Good thing I have multiple monitors.


72 posted on 05/01/2008 2:58:54 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Elsie
"What kind of a MORMON can read this crap and actually STAY a MORMON??"

One that is preparing his formal letter of resignation from the church.

73 posted on 05/01/2008 3:16:18 PM PDT by SENTINEL (SGT USMC....YOU NEVER HAVE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR A REAL PROPHET !)
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To: Old Mountain man; Elsie
You might remember a thread here only a few months ago where I was your staunchest ally. I thought I would refute a person or two who were posting "fake quotes" from LDS historical books and otherwise lying about the LDS church. I thought I would begin my counter attack by getting the "real quotes" directly from the church books such as "church history, "Journal of discourses" etc which I had ready access to as a member of the bishopric.

The worst and most outrageous "quotes" attributed to Joe Smith and Brigham Young turned out TO BE FACT, WORD FOR WORD IN MOST INSTANCES !

Polygamy, True
POLYAMORY (marrying other men's wives), TRUE
Church ordered INCEST (BROTHER / SISTER), TRUE
Plan of Salvation from Swedenborg 1775, not Joe Smith, true
Blood atonement, true
Kinderhook Plates, true
Rosetta stone proves book of Abraham FRAUD, true
JOSEPH SMITH KILLED 2 MEN MOMENTS BEFORE DEATH, TRUE

Joseph smith jailed for ordering destruction of printing press used to expose Smith marrying (screwing) printers wife, TRUE

And this, maybe was the straw that broke the camel's back:

"Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go."Joseph Smith (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409)

This boastful and deceitful man who claimed to be greater than Christ is not the Joseph Smith I had been taught and told about, I HAD BEEN LIED TO ALL MY LIFE, AND SO HAVE YOU.

74 posted on 05/01/2008 3:36:43 PM PDT by SENTINEL (SGT USMC....YOU NEVER HAVE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR A REAL PROPHET !)
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To: SENTINEL

Amen!


75 posted on 05/01/2008 3:50:47 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (FLDS.... making babies with children because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
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To: SENTINEL

Wow! Well done. I’m curious to see what response you’ll get.


76 posted on 05/01/2008 4:04:13 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: SENTINEL

Ho hum, seen it before, and I really doubt you were ever in a bishopric.


77 posted on 05/01/2008 4:13:11 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
Isn't his the very definition of irony...Me presenting lists of checkable facts regarding Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and you question MY credentials !

I am a descendant of Emer Harris, brother of Martin Harris, one of the three witnesses.

I have much to atone for.

78 posted on 05/01/2008 4:23:44 PM PDT by SENTINEL (SGT USMC....YOU NEVER HAVE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR A REAL PROPHET !)
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To: Politicalmom
CPS officials counter that they found at least one underage girl who was pregnant or had children in each of the sect's 19 homes on the ranch when they first arrived on April 3.

This has information on two issues. First, it gives a count of the number of independent living quarters at the ranch -- 19. I believed there were more than one because some parents had said they lived in their own houses, but now we know that there were quite a few different houses.

Second, it states that each of the 19 homes included at least one girl who had been pregnant while "underage", although it doesn't identify what "underage" means.

This story also suggests that they KNEW this when they arrived at the ranch. If true, that means on the DAY of the raid, CPS "knew" there were 19 girls who had been pregnant before turning 18 (I assume that's what they mean by underage).

However, early stories suggested they didn't know this and that they only learned it later.

Either CPS is not being accurate here, or it is another example where the fog of early reports is lifting.

79 posted on 05/01/2008 4:46:17 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SENTINEL; Old Mountain man
I have much to atone for.

Actually, many of us have already paid the price by staying in the sect so long. Atonement will come when we can help others through kind and honest efforts to get LDS folks and family to understand the truth without the defensive battle OMM poses in every thread. There really is nothing to fight over once one faces the truth with a degree of honesty.

80 posted on 05/01/2008 4:47:53 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, most beautiful place on earth.)
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